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    Posted: September 11 2011 at 15:54

At the and of this day let me show you a 4:30 minutes video of the Russian band "Anima", the first project of Senmuth.

I don't know how to add a flash movie here so I can only post the link


I think the music fits very well with the images. Sooner or later I'll suggest Anima for inclusion.
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Interresting music Wink
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I embedded it for you.
[flash width=450 height=225]http://flv.video.yandex.ru/swf/video/loader-player-site.swf?login=senmuthmusic&storage_directory=a15hg1prb6.2414&storage_url_prefix=http://static.video.yandex.ru&clip_storage_url_prefix=http://streaming.video.yandex.ru&related_url_prefix=http://video.yandex.ru/xml/related-films.xml&videopage_url_prefix=http://video.yandex.ru&player_url_prefix=http://flv.video.yandex.ru&token_url_prefix=http://static.video.yandex.ru/get-token&r=752749[/flash]

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What the f**k? No.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

What the f**k? No.
What's wrong friend? This video was made in 2003, it's not a celebration of this year's anniversary.  Anima disbanded in 2004.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

What the f**k? No.
What's wrong friend? This video was made in 2003, it's not a celebration of this year's anniversary.  Anima disbanded in 2004.

It really does not matter to me when it was made. There's no such thing as a good 9/11 video tribute that includes explicit footage and musical accompaniment to begin with, and adding your own music makes it even worse. I do feel a little bit better that they've broken up, though.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

What the f**k? No.
What's wrong friend? This video was made in 2003, it's not a celebration of this year's anniversary.  Anima disbanded in 2004.

It really does not matter to me when it was made. There's no such thing as a good 9/11 video tribute that includes explicit footage and musical accompaniment to begin with, and adding your own music makes it even worse. I do feel a little bit better that they've broken up, though.

Well, I'm not American and it's possible that I don't understand completely your feelings, but commenting images with music is what each TV news magazine have done during the last 50 years. 
The band has written the music getting inspiration from that tragic fact, then they released that video. I don't see anything offensive or commercial either. Senmuth's about 100 albums are all downloadable for free.

Writing music or songs inspired by tragic events is quite common in prog and not only. I too wrote a song in 1980 after the bombing in a train station which killed about 100 people. I was inspired because I'm one of the survivors.

The song was nothing special, to be honest, I wasn't talented enough to be a songwriter. 
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Vangelis scored the Rossif film music about the Nuremberg trial.... And i guess movies will be realised about September

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This could be an idea for a thread. Prog and chronicles...
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This one, for example.
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Prog and non-fiction?  Oldfield did the soundtrack for The Killing Fields.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Also in this case we are speaking of about 8,000 casualties...
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Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Vangelis scored the Rossif film music about the Nuremberg trial.... And i guess movies will be realised about September

Scoring a movie about something or writing a song about something is completely different from putting your music over the actual footage of people dying.

Also, Arbeit Macht Frei is completely tasteless and always has been.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


Scoring a movie about something or writing a song about something is completely different from putting your music over the actual footage of people dying.

Also, Arbeit Macht Frei is completely tasteless and always has been.


100% with you on the first point, Henry, but with regards to Area, I think that album/song title is perhaps somewhat understandable (if not wholly forgivable) if one takes into account its cultural and political context.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

 
Also, Arbeit Macht Frei is completely tasteless and always has been.

The question is not "how good" it is. It's about facts not less tragic than the 9/11. It's just an example of the fact that one can write a song basing on a fact or something read on a newspaper, anything that hits the author's mind and feelings. The result can be good or bad, but it's not meant to be offensive. 

Of course is more stuff for singer-songwriters like Bob Dylan, but there are examples also in prog. This is what we mean. I have found the 9/11 video while looking at Senmuth's website by coincidence, and because it was the 9/11 I have posted it. I still don't get your point.  

If you don't like the music, fine. It's question of tastes. In general you can dislike having made a video using images from the real world instead of fairies, gnomes or acid visions, but I don't see anything bad in it. There are no words or comments, just images and music. Does it mean that nobody should use images of wars or natural catastrophes or African hunger? Can't an artist be interested or emotionally hit by what happens in the world? 

 
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Powerful voice, but is this prog ? Wink 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Does it mean that nobody should use images of wars or natural catastrophes or African hunger?

In music videos, yes.  
Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:

I think that album/song title is perhaps somewhat understandable (if not wholly forgivable) if one takes into account its cultural and political context.

I don't actually know why they did it, but I always assumed they had some sort of reason, although I never cared enough to try to find out. But I fairly certain I would consider it tasteless even if I did know.
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