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    Posted: September 10 2011 at 20:40
Here is another question for the prog rock community. would you rather a big epic to fade out or to end abruptly? personally i'd rather it end abruptly because it leaves you amazed at the music you have just heard. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:04
Fade outs are the worst, most people don't like them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:06
Fade out = I don't know how to end a song!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:17
"Its better to burn out than to fade away".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:23
Fade outs suck big time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:36
Both... depends on the song. You can end a song on the root note and will just seem lame but, if you keep playing and fade on that it keeps the audience guessing, "exactly when did they stop playing?" However, sometimes you hit that right ending and it just kicks ass.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:41
I don't usually like fade outs as much, but I guess they can work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:49

In whatever genre of rock, the best jamming often occurs during the fade out. And we hates it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:50

I feel that frustration sets in after spending a year writing an epic, recording several versions of it...and not able to decide upon what ending to use. In the past all of us have heard epics which fade out in the studio then later performed live with a abrupt ending. Then choosing the abrupt ending over the studio fade out. I think musicians have a difficult time making up their mind. Some musician/writers feel that the fade out leaves the listener in the dust. It leaves them cold with a ghostly feeling that the epic died....as if to say that is what they wanted ....where other times with a abrupt ending the epic is not escaping from you. Instead the listener feels as if they can still cling to it or take the music with them. If you can visualize the most 2 pathetic people in the world like Larry David and Woody Allen being the musician/writers. The epic is finished and they sit on the beach with wine talking it over for hours. Which version should we use for the release? What are the listeners going to think? How will they react? It's interesting you brought this to the table because it is a huge debate between artists prior to the official release of the product. Insane!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 21:58
 I think that fade-outs can be used effectively. Some of the better ones I've heard ("Should Have Seen It Coming" - The Church) are like segues into another song, usually un-related in theme, melody or tempo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2011 at 23:38
The Spirit of Radio has a great ending. It ends... THEN IT ENDS AGAIN!

Tom Sawyer has a terrible ending. It ends... eventually...

Pull Me Under has a great ending. It en-

Every Yes epic has a very emotional ending just making the music better in general.

The endings are all at last semi-related depending on the genre, at least as I view it. Progressive Rock epics all slowly fade out with some crazy wacky chord on the keyboard, Hard Prog ends on a powerful root-power chord, the good stuff (compilation albums) fade into another. I like it best when songs don't end.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 00:47
usually I'd stay away from fade outs but very rarely do they work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 03:17
Is 'wish they'd never started' an option?

I guess that ending abruptly would be my preference as it's more faithful to a real performance as experienced in a real living space. Fading to silence in the live realm would be tad tricky methinks. (Techno Unplugged?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 03:35
Usually I dislike fade-out, especially when the finest guitar parts are during the decrease of volume. For some pieces the face-out does work, but I can't think of a good reason for this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 04:17
It depends on the type of song. A short and to the point song can work with a fade out, as can a song with a repeated coda. Longer songs need a climax or we're left feeling unsatisfied (hehe). 

Listening to IQ's Harvest Of Souls the other day, which simply faded out, was pretty annoying, because a simple ending would have been sufficient, but a fade out gives the impression that the song didn't properly finish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 04:32
I hate fade outs, so god damn lazy. I dont care whether the tracks 4 minutes or 40 minutes, if you havnt got an ending for it hen its not finished, dont cop-out and just fade it out
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 04:41
Fade out, but only if it's used in an ironic way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 04:48
Once in a blue moon, I'm fine with a fade out.
Sure, a lot of times they may have had no idea how to end it but it's kinda cool, especially after a powerful or chill song, just kinda fading out. Of course this is just once in a while, I'd agree that an abrupt ending does have a great impact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 05:10
Thik to the version of Comfortably Numb on The Wall or to Fat Old Sun on Atom Heart Mother. 

I hate fading out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2011 at 05:33
Fade outs never end well.
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