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Catcher10
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Posted: July 25 2011 at 13:28 | |
I only have one album from that "bar" band, I don't care for them much, its a blue album cover and I think is a compilation like 1967-1969 or something. I play it very sparingly as I figure some nutso will offer me $100 for it one day..its in VG+ condition and the gatefold is NM condition.
I also forgot to mention I also spun Rolling Stones Exile/Mainstreet (1972??) Anyhow, very well sounding vinyl from back in the day.
I agree technology is not the issue, learning how to use it probably is. I mean back in the day the soundboard had 30 buttons/switches.....Today I assume there are 530 buttons/switches .
If and when these new fangled equipment becomes easier to use by studio folks, my hope is that older recordings that are known to be subpar, will be redone......maybe not.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 25 2011 at 17:17 | |
^ that's not what I was referring/meant to, but nevermind.
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: July 25 2011 at 17:29 | |
Well if I follow your previous post...its gonna be 30-40 years before we see current equipment used to its full potential by current operators? Meaning we should expect "not the best" results in the recording industry right now?
Sorry, I am not an electrical engineer or sound engineer.....I'm a wood products guy that likes good music that's all. As usual appreciate your comments sir!
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 25 2011 at 19:30 | |
The modern (digital) studio has been in existence for twenty years or so, hence my comment that it's not surprising we've taken this long to get to use it to its full potential. I think modern producers are reaching the potential of what the existing technology has to offer now (you cited Steven Wilson and he is one of many).
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: July 26 2011 at 10:14 | |
Nope, the mixes were all the same - they haven't been remixed at all ... unless you meant EQ
Now the mastering (or remastering) was different on some releases
And it was not a question of "digital vs analog" since all three samples were digitalized when transferred on the DAT.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: July 26 2011 at 11:07 | |
^ Thanks for pointing this out - I indeed meant primarily mastering in this case, although some albums also end up getting remixed for a remaster.
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jammun
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
Posted: July 30 2011 at 20:21 | |
Get one of these and all yer LP's will sound great.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: August 14 2011 at 19:01 | |
Very nice article about the extreme necessity of buying 20000 dollar speaker wire and 500 dollar power cords...
(By the way, don't tell anybody but I sell 500 dollar hdmi cables and 200 dollar speaker wire as part of my job... |
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Catcher10
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Posted: August 15 2011 at 17:44 | |
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I love my brown lamp cord speaker wire, it pushes my walls.....economically!
Great article.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: August 15 2011 at 18:34 | |
That articles basically confirms all the things I already suspected.
A related story: Buzz off! Noisy device drives away |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: August 17 2011 at 05:15 | |
A company starts producing DVDs with anorganic layer, and plan to try it with BluRay discs too: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/M-READY-M-DISC-Millenniata-DVD-rock-like,news-12173.html
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Catcher10
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 10:51 | |
^ 1,000 years!! I just need it to last till December 2012...after that will not matter anymore.
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oliverstoned
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
Posted: August 31 2011 at 11:44 | |
Buddy Jean Marie came home yesterday (for the first time) and we had a great prog listening session. So JM discovered the home Hifi setup and the portable one as well. Now he knows what "pushing walls" hifi sounds like.
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jean-marie
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 27 2010 Location: FRANCE Status: Offline Points: 2585 |
Posted: September 01 2011 at 10:03 | |
Yes i had a realy great sound experience..As well with the sound system at home as with the portable system in the garden...I 've never heard any music that way before, it was kind of first experience with the headphone when i was a teen, but far better of course, i mean i could see a sonic picture with each instrument and sound at its own place.I guess not a lot of poeple listen to music that way but it's the way it should be....And of course Oliverstoned only played me great albums extracts...Today i can answer Hendrix question...Are you experienced? Yes i've been....And i think it's good to meet a Hi Fi guru like Oliverstoned because it helps to improve our own sound system and to hear music like it shoud be heard, very impressive.....
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 06 2011 at 07:10 | |
Affidavits are unnecessary. I have said before (when Oliver offered to let me listen to his portable set up if I journeyed to Paris), I'm sure his system sounds wonderful.
That isn't the point Mike and I are making - I believe his system sounded just as good "out-of-the-box", without the superfluous audiophilist modifications and tweaks, without the expensive cabling and redundant anti-vibration additions.
"Pushing Walls" just means loud, and that is a testament to the Loudspeakers and their designer, not to the amp or any cabling or any tweaking a home-based amateur does after purchasing them - any power amp can make speakers sound loud using any cable you care to buy, it's the ability of the speakers themselves to handle that power across the audio spectrum at significant volume without distortion or inducing other audio artifacts that determines the capability of a system to "push walls".
Similarly his portable set-up would sound just as good without the ALO interconnect and it would sound just as good without the Red Wine *modification* to the iPlod - where he has improved it is by adding the external Headphone Amp so that it can drive his HD25-1's (because a iPlod cannot drive 65ohms even with the Red Wine modification). And here the make and construction of the headphone amp is immaterial, it just needs to be designed to drive medium impedance headphones adequately, and the simplest home-construction headphone amp will do that for a fraction of the price of the RSA Mustang P51
...out of interest, the Grado RA1 headphone amp that retails for £400 in the UK is made from £5 worth of average quality components and can be built into an empty tic-tac box - what you are paying for is the name and a badly made mahogany box. Similarly I can build a copy of the Mustang P51 out of the components in my junk box that would sound exactly the same as the $250 RSA version - it just wouldn't look as nice because I can't make the pretty anodised aluminium case on my kitchen table.
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: September 06 2011 at 09:58 | |
These have been outlawed in Belgium around two years ago...
mmmmhhh!!!.... I'm driving by Paris on my way to Albi for the RIO fest of Sept 16 to 18,
Soooooo, I guess I'll have to ring Olivier to see if I can get my eardrums abused for a minute (read hour) or two
Olivier, will you be home on Friday 16th in the morning ( I got to be in Albi around 19h00).... or Thursday 20 around late afternoon/early evening??
I'll PM you!!
If you want something from North Holland, I'd be glad to deliver it personally
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: September 06 2011 at 10:52 | |
I want Oliver, our audiophile-in-campus, to tell me with all honesty, lest lightning might fall on his pushing-walls system, if he has used audiophile tweaks like the legendary green marker for cds or the volume knobs or the cable lifters/raisers. I want to hear it from somebody that has actually bought such............. devices.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: September 06 2011 at 10:59 | |
Talking about headphones and amps, remember my HD650? So, if I connect it directly to an IPHONE (of all things, such a powerful amplifier) it still has amazingly clear sound, yet of course the volume is reduced. Now, I needed headphones with a more natural, transparent, classical-music-ready sound so I got a pair of Audio Technica ATH-W5000, amazing things, you can hear details that lesser headphones don't reveal. And you know what? I'm still powering them with my e-bay-bought little 200 USD (for me it was 120) V-can headphone amp (in this case the impedance match is better since these headphones have an impedance of 40, not 300 like the Sennheisers). I wouldn't spend 1000 USD in a headphone amp. If my little V-can dies, I'll replace it with something similar. And yes I would never re-cable it as so many people in head-fi.org do with their headphones. What the hell is the point of that? The only thing one can change in a system to obtain a clear audible difference is the speakers (or headphones). Better speakers are better speakers, period. And even at that, some cheap speakers are quite good, too. Some suit some musical styles better than others, but in the end, is the only part of the system where difference can be detected by anyone with normal ears and not "golden ears". Yes, they will sound the same even with 20000 USD 6-feet Audioquest Everest speaker cable....
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oliverstoned
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
Posted: September 07 2011 at 03:31 | |
There you're totally wrong. My system is a choosed combination of devices and accessories which are essential for the whole result. I don't talk about tubes, you can't have the fantastic highs i've got without tubes. Without the cables, filters, vib cancelling devices, the system doesn't work at all. Sean will come and hear all that and i'll give him a set of cones so he'll be abble to try quietly on his own system and compare. And no,"push the walls" doesn't mean loud, not but not at all... The magic of my system, among others, is the use of 200w solid state to get real extreme low and low coupled with 30w tube to do all the rest (low medium, medium, highs and extreme highs) the part of the sonic spectrum we're more sensitive to). This is a kind of bi amplification. Edited by oliverstoned - September 07 2011 at 03:36 |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 07 2011 at 04:10 | |
I know it's hard to belive, but when a system really works, very litlle modifications affect the sound. So, i've tried the green marker but the improvment is very subbtle but real. I prefer using a CD demagnetizer which is more efficient and convenient (and works for all cables and contacts as well). The cable's lifting works but instead i use free bullpack under my cables and it indeed works, subbtle but real improvment. IMO the explanation is that it avoid extra vibration on contacts at the cable's end, but i'm not sure. Not sure what you allude to with the volume knob? Another thing i want to point out is the classic argument about room acoustic being a limitative factor: "It's useless to invest on big hifi becausey ou're limited by the room". Jean marie heard that my system was going very deep, fast and clean in the lows and the room (which is normal) stands it so it isn't a problem at all. Better a good system in a bad room than the reverse. |
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