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frippism
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Topic: Why isn't prog popular? Posted: August 28 2011 at 09:52 |
^ I don't think so, even though a few people here swear their hearts to the 70s, I think almost all people enjoy at least some post 70s stuff, and I personally enjoy a lot of post 70s stuff!
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Dancing Lemming
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Posted: August 28 2011 at 09:18 |
Most people who know what it is stereotype prog as '70s music.
Prog also has a tendency to stereotype non-'70s rock music as bad, so it's an endless cycle.
At least that is what I have observed.
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wjohnd
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 15:07 |
Essex man wrote:
I read an interview with Steve Hackett once where he said that some people don't like it because the songs contain too many notes!!
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Most popular music is for - singing along to or dancing to. Prog needs listened to and that takes time and perseverance.
We like it. Isn't that enough?
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jav1919
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 22:50 |
Actually I think prog is becoming more popular... the other day I saw a girl wearing a Porcupine Tree t shirt (yep, love at first sight )
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Essex man
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 08:59 |
I read an interview with Steve Hackett once where he said that some people don't like it because the songs contain too many notes!!
I suppose it is an acquired taste but it is wonderfully addictive once you have acquired it.
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Warthur
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 06:12 |
I do see your point, awaken, and I think it's a really good one. Ultimately, genre labels are just that, labels. And I would say that the prog label is far more unpopular than the prog sound.
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awaken77
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 05:53 |
JS19 wrote:
I'm sorry but there is no way The Mars Volta is 'Prog-Related' ..... |
doesn't matter we call that "prog", alt-rock magazines call it "alt-rock". it's just a label invented by musical journalists or record sellers to attract specific category of fans. Rick Wakeman, major contributor into genre, called himself "pop musician" . Rick have specific sense of humor :-)
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JS19
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 05:47 |
awaken77 wrote:
Mosis wrote:
prog is plenty popular
just from the "popular artists" on the home page: yes, dream theater, pink floyd, rush, opeth, genesis, porcupine tree, tool - all these bands are about as mainstream as you can get.
prog bands have radio singles, make "the charts," and sell out stadiums all the time.
what's really unpopular about prog is the fans.
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There is younger auditory, who are in 2 different subcultures: Metal and Indy/Alternative rock. And both are exposed to prog, but don't know such word :-))
ex: Tool, Muse, Mars Volta - they are very popular in alternative rock category , but they are prog-related
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I'm sorry but there is no way The Mars Volta is 'Prog-Related' .....
Also can this thread just go now. It's not really giving us anything new is it?
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awaken77
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 05:40 |
Mosis wrote:
prog is plenty popular
just from the "popular artists" on the home page: yes, dream theater, pink floyd, rush, opeth, genesis, porcupine tree, tool - all these bands are about as mainstream as you can get.
prog bands have radio singles, make "the charts," and sell out stadiums all the time.
what's really unpopular about prog is the fans.
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There is younger auditory, who are in 2 different subcultures: Metal and Indy/Alternative rock. And both are exposed to prog, but don't know such word :-)) ex: Tool, Muse, Mars Volta - they are very popular in alternative rock category , but they are prog-related
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EchoeWho?
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 11:16 |
The mainstream group don't have the patience to sit around for more than 5 minutes and really listen to a song. They need a quick fix that can immediately catch their attention.
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DiamondDog
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Posted: August 15 2011 at 07:10 |
But it is, that's why we're here.
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NickHall
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Posted: August 15 2011 at 07:00 |
It's popular isn't it? Or are you asking why it isn't topping the pop charts?
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 03:25 |
^^ Good point, maybe some prog listeners only feel 'left out' because they don't listen to anything else for the most part. But I think only PF, JT and Rush have truly crossed over into classic rock territory and enjoy that kind of popularity. Bands like Tool may be commercially successful and perform to sellout crowds but have a less universal following within the rock community. Same goes for PT.
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Mosis
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 00:46 |
prog is plenty popular
just from the "popular artists" on the home page: yes, dream theater, pink floyd, rush, opeth, genesis, porcupine tree, tool - all these bands are about as mainstream as you can get.
prog bands have radio singles, make "the charts," and sell out stadiums all the time.
what's really unpopular about prog is the fans.
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awaken77
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Posted: August 10 2011 at 09:47 |
why "art house" cinema isn't popular ? why black-and-white art photography isn't popular?
prog is part of art music (as classical, jazz, and contemporary avantgarde) most people don't care about art. all what they need is food, sex, and entertainment
some people think prog is too serious, therefore boring. this is not true (check Samla for example - very fun music, not boring at all)
actually, prog CAN be entertainment, but for "prepared" auditory (music nerds, as were said) I remember we were on prog-lovers-party and sung karaoke "Script for a jester's tear" and "Dancing With the Moonlight kinght" - that was too much fun
Edited by awaken77 - August 10 2011 at 10:03
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tamijo
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Posted: August 10 2011 at 08:41 |
But why is Jazz not popular, or coral medival church singing, or German sl*g.rmusic.
And why is fassion changing, why does noone like Pepsi anymore, where did the Jo-jo go ?
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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kaat
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Posted: August 10 2011 at 08:28 |
(First time here, so hello all)
I think most of us have set minds, so that "prog" becomes "that nerdy stuff I will not like and therefore will not hear".
Another view - I remember Allan Holdsworth saying he would never release a "pop single", because then his shows would be filled with people expecting the pop. That's about as useful as introducing someone to prog with "Follow You Follow Me".
Edited by kaat - August 10 2011 at 08:33
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JS19
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Posted: August 09 2011 at 12:33 |
darkshade wrote:
The return of this thread.
The answer is "The world may never know"
/thread
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No! This thread is a brilliant mix of the same thing said forty thousand different ways.
Long may it continue!
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giselle
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Posted: August 08 2011 at 15:26 |
Good answer
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Warthur
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Posted: August 08 2011 at 09:03 |
Already responded to this thread, but I'l suggest another answer: right now, prog isn't popular because it doesn't need to be popular. We've got our own little subculture here which, given the large number of releases each year, seems perfectly capable of supporting a plentiful variety of bands indefinitely.
Would it be nice for those bands to attain mass acceptance? Sure it would. Is it worth the gamble of potentially alienating their loyal prog-fan audience, when there's every chance they might not even win mass acceptance by doing so - and thus end up with no audience at all? Hell no.
Would we, as prog fans, really get that much benefit from major record companies signing up our favourite acts? Considering the enormous pressure that would be put on said bands to make their sound more mainstream, perhaps not.
We're obscure and unpopular because we like it that way, and because the prog scene can sustain itself perfectly happily without seeking widespread acclaim.
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