Why isn't Phil Collins in Prog-Related

I've always thought "Droned", "Hand In Hand", and "The West Side" to be progressive, and possibly a few others from those albums, and considering his great conribution to Genesis and Brand X along with enough of his solo work even if not being prog being at least good and great (both "No Jacket Required" and "...But Seriously" are 5 star pop/rock albums, in my opinion) to be worth including under Prog-Related.

Edited by 7headedchicken - January 30 2012 at 18:23

^lulz

^ so....what are you saying?

Man With Hat wrote: Phil Collins made pop records.

Peter Gabriel, Tony banks, Steve Hackett, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks too.

Edited by lucas - August 07 2011 at 20:04

Phil is a very talented songwriter, but most of his music is not prog-related at all.

As has been said many times before, this is the problem with having artists, rather than albums, on the site.

I've never actually posted before either (which is evident given my post count...) but I've often wondered the same thing. The Prog-related section of the website says under its criteria:

"3) Members of important progressive rock bands - Although most of the recorded solo output of artists like Greg Lake and David Gilmour falls more in a mainstream rock style, their contributions to progressive rock in their respective bands insures them a place in our prog-related genre."

Which made it seem to me, whenever it was when I bothered to search to see if Collins' stuff was in the archives or not that, it seems little more than bitterness at the direction Genesis took with him supposedly in charge.

That, or, it may just out of concern for the fact that every album he ever released would have probably have an average rating of below 1.5 anyway. There are some songs of his that I actually do quite like. Take me home is the best example.


Edited by TrickedTail - August 07 2011 at 06:16

refugee wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: When Phil finally came clean and told us he was from Croatia and he was extremely fond of granite, we knew he could never be part of such a special place here on PA. Prog-related? No such thing! He only became fond of granite after he lost his marble(s). I guess it means he’s a fan of hard rock.

I think Marillion took them.
I could see it for Face Value, but we really don't want to see his face on front page when people start reviewing his albums.
Also, Ivan would sue the pants off anyone who attempted to do it.


Edited by Slartibartfast - August 07 2011 at 05:32

Guldbamsen wrote: When Phil finally came clean and told us he was from Croatia and he was extremely fond of granite, we knew he could never be part of such a special place here on PA. Prog-related? No such thing!

He only became fond of granite after he lost his marble(s). I guess it means he’s a fan of hard rock.

BrianFromOkc wrote: I've been a fan of ProgArchives for years, but I just registered one minute ago. I had to chime in on this thread, because I've wondered the same thing many times. I'm a huge Phil fan and I own all of his solo albums. I think he poured his heart into every Genesis album -- particularly his last one ("We Can't Dance") and the tour that followed. Just watch his performances on that DVD! But in Genesis he could devote himself to drums and vocals. On his solo albums, he's spread thinner -- he has to cover all the bases himself. His albums are as far away from prog as a rocker can get. Therefore IMHO he does NOT belong on this site. HOWEVER, when I noticed that Kate Bush and John Wetton have pages here, I had to wonder why Phil is missing. I'd only seen Kate's name once before (a Peter Gabriel duet), and I recognized John's name from Asia, Crimson, UK, etc etc. I must admit I've never heard a note of their solo music; I've only perused their albums and reviews on this site. For all I know, they might be a prog goldmine, but I don't get that impression. So I'm still left wondering why Phil isn't here. Obviously the PA administrators have to draw the line somewhere. Whenever man tries to put labels (like "Prog") on something that can't be labeled (like music), blurriness and inconsistency are unavoidable. But such labels are useful tools for discussion and have helped me discover many great bands here. Now I'm starting to go off the philosophical deep end, so I'll shut up :) Another reason NOT to add Phil is because then they'd also have to add Mike & the Mechanics, and M&M are even less prog than Phil!

Edited by richardh - August 07 2011 at 02:18