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TrickedTail
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 06:02 |
I've never actually posted before either (which is evident given my post count...) but I've often wondered the same thing. The Prog-related section of the website says under its criteria:
"3) Members of important progressive rock bands - Although most of the
recorded solo output of artists like Greg Lake and David Gilmour falls
more in a mainstream rock style, their contributions to progressive rock
in their respective bands insures them a place in our prog-related
genre."
Which made it seem to me, whenever it was when I bothered to search to see if Collins' stuff was in the archives or not that, it seems little more than bitterness at the direction Genesis took with him supposedly in charge.
That, or, it may just out of concern for the fact that every album he ever released would have probably have an average rating of below 1.5 anyway. There are some songs of his that I actually do quite like. Take me home is the best example.
Edited by TrickedTail - August 07 2011 at 06:16
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Andy Webb
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 12:17 |
The reason Collins isn't in PR is because Collins isn't PR. Every single side project of every single band on PA shouldn't automatically be included into PR. That would be hell.
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lazland
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 12:51 |
As has been said many times before, this is the problem with having artists, rather than albums, on the site.
I would have absolutely no problem with having Face Value on the site. It's a wonderful album, with traits of much of what Genesis were doing at the time. Indeed, Bans has often expressed regret at rejecting In The Air Tonight for Duke.
As for the rest of his solo stuff, I lost interest after the third one, and they certainly don't belong here. It doesn't mean they're bad, though. Millions of buyers seemed to enjoy them.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 13:09 |
Phil Collins for RIO/Avant
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Moogtron III
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 17:47 |
Phil is a very talented songwriter, but most of his music is not prog-related at all.
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Horizons
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 18:23 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Phil Collins for RIO/Avant
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lucas
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 20:02 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Phil Collins made pop records. |
Peter Gabriel, Tony banks, Steve Hackett, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks too.
Edited by lucas - August 07 2011 at 20:04
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 20:34 |
because his solo stuff stinks, that's why
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 21:01 |
^ so....what are you saying?
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 21:25 |
I'm saying he looks like a penis but we love him anyway
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Andy Webb
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Posted: August 07 2011 at 23:09 |
^lulz
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Guillermo
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Posted: August 08 2011 at 10:13 |
I bought most of his albums including "Dance Into the Light". Then, when he started to write music for Disneyīs movies, I lost interest in his music. He is more a Pop Rock artist than a Prog artist as a soloist. The same is for Mike Rutherf ...ord and his Mechanichs band and some of Tony Banksīalbums. The difference is that Banksī and Rutherfordīs first solo albums were more Prog related than all of Philīs albums together. Collinsīsolo music is not so bad, but knowing that many Prog fans hate his solo music, I could only expect very bad reviews (one star ratings and maybe some insults, hahaha!) for most of his solo albums if he is included in Prog Archives. Recently I saw the "Do they know itīs Christmas?" video in youtube. I was laughing at the ridiculous eighties look and posing of most of the musicians which participated in that single and video, and I thought "What was Collins doing there?", but it became clear for me that maybe he wanted (or his record labels wanted) to be included in the eighties Pop Rock music enviroment, even if he didnīt look or didnīt sound as the others in his solo albums. Collins is a good composer and his "natural" talent as soloist was/is the Pop Rock market, in my opinion.
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7headedchicken
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 17:49 |
I've always thought "Droned", "Hand In Hand", and "The West Side" to be progressive, and possibly a few others from those albums, and considering his great conribution to Genesis and Brand X along with enough of his solo work even if not being prog being at least good and great (both "No Jacket Required" and "...But Seriously" are 5 star pop/rock albums, in my opinion) to be worth including under Prog-Related.
Edited by 7headedchicken - January 30 2012 at 18:23
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 18:20 |
Because he's riiich beotch!!!
Seriously, the more famous and successful you are the more likely you will gain resistance to inclusion. To be honest I only have and know Face Value and it's a decent album but not sufficient for my support. Genesis and Brand X are already here...
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 30 2012 at 18:21
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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