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Progosopher ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2009 Location: Coolwood Status: Offline Points: 6472 |
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I can attest to this. My sister was six years older than me and into Elton John, The Beach Boys, and The Beatles when I was listening to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Rainbow, and Black Sabbath. I used to hate her tastes in music, but these artists I have come to enjoy and respect.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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M@x has wisely chosen to be quite inclusive for the bands he lists here. It is up to you how you define prog. I define it as a genre.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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To be fair I think David(Atavachron) concedes by implication that 'Prog' has never been a freestanding genre c/f Reggae, Blues, Metal, Rap, Techno, Jazz etc and that the only demarcation criteria we can use for artists on PA might just boil down to them having a demonstrably progressive attitude towards their music's development. BTW I'm assuming by 'progressive music' you mean what we call 'Prog? (e.g. Ornette Coleman is clearly progressive music but it ain't Prog) |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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It'd be hard to include the Stones unless you went to the third and weakest definition. But that's how Jefferson Airplane got in, so don't be surprised if it happens.
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Trying not to be rude here, you're too young to make such generalisations Dave, and even though I'm 3 years older, I'm also a year or two too young aswell. Any kid in the 70s with Osmonds and Cassidy on their school bag would never have listened to The Stones, Beatles or Kiss ... as Bowie says in All The Young Dudes; "My Brother's back at home with his Beatles and his Stones, we never got it off on that revolution stuff, what a drag, too many snags" - there was an age gap, and younger siblings never listened to the music of their older brothers and sisters - the listening range was two to three years for each type of artist regardless of whether they were Pop, Rock or Underground. Access to music was similarily restricted to very narrow time spans, unless it was extremely sucessful an album released in 1969 would have been deleted from the catalogues by 1972, which made true underground music extremely difficult to obtain - take something like Capability Brown or Clouds - if you didn't buy it within 6 months of it being released then you'd never have seen it in the record shops. Even ELO's (very Prog) 1971 debut was nigh on impossible to find by the time they hit the big time with A New World Record in 1976
Similarily among kids that were into Progressive Rock (and yes, in England in 1970-76 that's exactly what we called it, just because it took the rest of the world 6 to 30 years to catch-up it's not our fault) and Underground music there was a hireachy of cool that would never have put Yes, Floyd, Sabbath and Heep into the same bag either. Groups of kids that were into one type of Underground music would never countenance their music being compared to another type of Underground music, just as they would never dream of doing that today.
Time has blurred our memories - then was no different to now.
Your categoraisations from that time are a little vague and not exactly accurate - we had heavy rock, progressive rock, blues rock, progressive blues, psychedelic rock, acid rock, space rock, country rock, techno-rock (I remember Yes being called this and techno-flash at one point), head music, jazz-rock, glam rock, funk-rock, electronic, bubble-rock, stomp rock, pub-rock, etc., etc., etc.
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brainstormer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 20 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Status: Offline Points: 887 |
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Can't Get it Out of My Head (if that's the official title of that track) is one of the most
amazing songs ever written/engineered/performed. It has that ghostly quality that I've only found with some songs like "If You Could Read My Mind" by Lightfoot, or a few dreamy songs by the Ronettes (seriously, lol). In prog, I find "The Venture" by Yes, to have a bit of that quality, and of course, Genesis veers into that territory often as well. |
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Same with me. I think El Dorado is their best album, but after that, they took a more commercial approach to their music, and I eventually lost interest in the band .
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tamijo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
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To many to mention, but im fine with that, all just a matter of how you define things. |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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jean-marie ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 27 2010 Location: FRANCE Status: Offline Points: 2585 |
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About Kraftwerk check the dvd Minimum Maximum it's all you need to become friend with the band,
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Thanks for the tips on Kraftwerk and ELO should I reconsider and check them out anew. I don't even remember how I got into Kraftwerk in the first place. I think an abbreviated version of Autobahn got a little radio play. ELO did have a good reputation for their earlier albums amongst prog loving friends at the time. I think I just had my hands full exploring the usual suspects. I don't think we were calling that stuff prog but art rock or just really good music.
Most of my prog friends were actually my brother's (three years older) friends and he had built up a decent collection. There were pretty much none of my classmates but one that was really into that kind of music. Chicago is another that comes to mind. More of a favorite of my brother's but I never had any of their albums. They were added after I was already here though. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 28 2011 at 06:13 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65603 |
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it was all a dream we had one afternoon
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^ Yep, I dunno when this started exactly but something faintly unwholesome happened when the money men took a controlling interest in popular music i.e. they demarcated the eclecticism that was a feature of progressive artists and started a phoney brand patriotism war. I've always thought that Hendrix, Crimson and the Nice exemplified an attitude that 'music' was an indivisible whole where no rules should apply to mixing the ingredients. I better stop now or I'm just gonna sound like I'm nostalgic for something that never even happened in the first place...
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DavetheSlave ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
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I remember being almost ostracised for my music taste in school for enjoying Yes, Floyd, Sabbath, Heep etc, - the other kids had the Stones, Donny Osmond, David Cassidy, the Beatles and later Kiss emblazened on their school bags etc.
It was almost as if my preferences added a kind of mystique to me and my mates - lol.
It was so easy to categorise music back then - Underground, Pop, Jazz or Classical.
The pop lovers were a different breed to the Underground music lovers.
Later it became Rock, Metal, Punk, Disco, Jazz and Classical.
Now - Holy Moly - Progarchives alone has more categories than their were types of music back then.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Yes, it is a conundrum as there is a danger that we might continue to pine for a period when (as David so adroitly points out) when many plain vanilla rock and pop bands were charting with singles that do represent a distillation of the questing and adventurous risk taking spirit that we adore so much in Prog. I baulk at such nostalgia as I can understand why such irritates the younger brethren on PA. (Gawd, I'm the new Walter Dig Tunes - Lemming Digs Squat
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DavetheSlave ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
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I don't know that prog was ever really pop - I won't argue though. I personally think that Genesis, Yes, Floyd, KC could never have been termed pop music - in the record stores back then they would be found under the Underground category whereas ELO were categorised as Pop. I'm one of those perhaps silly individuals who can find no similarities between the Beatles and Prog
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65603 |
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Good question. Where does one draw the line? You believe ELO was, or was considered, Pop-- and you're right, they were indeed a pop band. But that's kind of the point. For a time, Prog was pop; it was the cutting edge popular music (it certainly wasn't Billy Joel or Seals&Crofts). How do we deal with that startling reality?
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DavetheSlave ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
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Where does one draw the line though? I could argue that Grand Funk Railroad probably deserve to be represented here as they were the US's answer to Black Sabbath etc and their music (their older music) definately wasn't mainstream back then.
I have accepted that but am still very bitter about the fact that Stratovarius isn't represented on the Site and the arguments will always be - if they are represented then how come another is not.
Never in my wildest dreams would I place ELO amongst my own personal progressive collection. They were categorised as pop music back in the day and I personally agree with that.
The Beatles are here yet the Rolling Stones aren't?
I'm not saying that the Stones should be here but if the one is given exposure how come not the other when they were so closely related back in the day. One was the antithesis almost of the other.
As I said - where do we draw the line?
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