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GypsyJoker 
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 Posted: July 26 2011 at 12:56 |
 akaBona wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
Good point, due to his background as Yes tribute band singer, i expected him to believe the best way to please the Yes fans would be acting as a Jon clone...Luckily he didn't.
He has a nice range (never heard him on stage, so I can't say a word about that) and more similar to Trevor Horn than Jon Anderson
As you know, I hate Jon's voice, so I believe the change is good for the band, and even better if Benoit David continues singing as Benoit David.
Iván. |
so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel 
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Again, I have to ask: why is David having so much difficulty this time around, when he got good reviews on the other tours?
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 12:38 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
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Speaking what I feel = Hater
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 12:36 |
akaBona wrote:
David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. |
He was not hired to be charismatic. Haven't heard the latest tour, but was lucky enough that the first two actually stopped in my obscure neck of the woods. He was ok. Thank your lucky stars that Horn isn't singing. 
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 11:27 |
akaBona wrote:
so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel
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By the contrary, I like many Yes albums despite Jon Anderson.
You can' stop loving Close t the Edge, Relayer and even The Yes album, because the music is superb, no matter if they are sung by The Chipmunks.
I find no charisma in Jon Anderson, I feel embarrassment each time I see him speaking nonsense on stage and acting as if he was the guru of metaphysics.
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
Iván
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akaBona
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 02:59 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
Good point, due to his background as Yes tribute band singer, i expected him to believe the best way to please the Yes fans would be acting as a Jon clone...Luckily he didn't.
He has a nice range (never heard him on stage, so I can't say a word about that) and more similar to Trevor Horn than Jon Anderson
As you know, I hate Jon's voice, so I believe the change is good for the band, and even better if Benoit David continues singing as Benoit David.
Iván. |
so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel
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akaBona
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 02:41 |
Dellinger wrote:
At last I got this album. I tried not to expect another classic Yes album, but I can't help be a bit dissapointed... perhaps after a few more listens I'll get it in better. However, most of the songs are somewhat weak for me... but in the end, the only Yes albums that have been completley strong for me have been Fragile and CttE, all the others have songs I don't like so much (though the strong ones are among my favourite music). I don't like the Fly From Here suite as an epic song, it just doesn't hold together so well; perhaps if they had worked the transitions better it could have done the trick, but they actually just about made a pause between each part... and that's particularly notable on Bumpy Ride (certainly one that I don't like, but if they had made the transition better and boosted the piece a bit it might have been a worthy part of the song). However, parts 1 and 2 (tracks 2 & 3) are really good... pop songs, I'm still making my mind about part 3 (track 4). I'm also still making my mind about the last song, though that one I think I will come to like.
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
more listenings didn't help me. after dozen efforts I'm slowly beginning to give up. for me there's nothing interesting anymore, softpop/aor is not for me. only thing I still enjoy in FFH is Steve Howe. better luck to you ...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 25 2011 at 20:31 |
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
Good point, due to his background as Yes tribute band singer, i expected him to believe the best way to please the Yes fans would be acting as a Jon clone...Luckily he didn't.
He has a nice range (never heard him on stage, so I can't say a word about that) and more similar to Trevor Horn than Jon Anderson
As you know, I hate Jon's voice, so I believe the change is good for the band, and even better if Benoit David continues singing as Benoit David.
Iván.
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Posted: July 25 2011 at 19:15 |
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At last I got this album. I tried not to expect another classic Yes album, but I can't help be a bit dissapointed... perhaps after a few more listens I'll get it in better. However, most of the songs are somewhat weak for me... but in the end, the only Yes albums that have been completley strong for me have been Fragile and CttE, all the others have songs I don't like so much (though the strong ones are among my favourite music). I don't like the Fly From Here suite as an epic song, it just doesn't hold together so well; perhaps if they had worked the transitions better it could have done the trick, but they actually just about made a pause between each part... and that's particularly notable on Bumpy Ride (certainly one that I don't like, but if they had made the transition better and boosted the piece a bit it might have been a worthy part of the song). However, parts 1 and 2 (tracks 2 & 3) are really good... pop songs, I'm still making my mind about part 3 (track 4). I'm also still making my mind about the last song, though that one I think I will come to like.
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible.
Edited by Dellinger - July 25 2011 at 19:17
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 22:55 |
jean-marie wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
lazland wrote:
Absolutely. Comparing GFTO to Drama is like comparing Shakespeare to Sid Snot. |
No, comparing GFTO to Drama is just taste.
I don't like Jon Anderson at all, the sound of the birotron that Wakeman used in GFTO is horrendous, for me the album is weak.
But it's my opinion, this doesn't make me abnormal or a person with a wrong taste. No of course !
Iván
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After the words of Ghost_of_Morphy:
Ghost-of_Morphy wrote:
As do all normal fans. |
I had to mention the normality issue.
Iván
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 22:44 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
lazland wrote:
Absolutely. Comparing GFTO to Drama is like comparing Shakespeare to Sid Snot. |
No, comparing GFTO to Drama is just taste.
I don't like Jon Anderson at all, the sound of the birotron that Wakeman used in GFTO is horrendous, for me the album is weak.
But it's my opinion, this doesn't make me abnormal or a person with a wrong taste. No of course !
Iván
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 18:28 |
rdtprog wrote:
Who is to blame here for the choice of this inexperienced vocalist? Squire, Yes, the manager... Or maybe they don't care... Can we blame the guy who want be part of this great band.
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Great point! Hell, if they asked ME to take over vocal duties for Anderson, I would have done it in a heartbeat (even though I have come to resemble a somewhat less portly Squire, and my vocal range is rather awful, worse than Benoit David's).
Now, taking over for Squire on bass.....hmmmm....that has some potential...
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 16:50 |
lazland wrote:
Absolutely. Comparing GFTO to Drama is like comparing Shakespeare to Sid Snot. |
No, comparing GFTO to Drama is just taste.
I don't like Jon Anderson at all, the sound of the birotron that Wakeman used in GFTO is horrendous, for me the album is weak.
But it's my opinion, this doesn't make me abnormal or a person with a wrong taste.
Iván
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 15:23 |
jean-marie wrote:
Prefer GFTO to Drama by far |
As do all normal fans.
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lazland
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 13:32 |
jean-marie wrote:
Prefer GFTO to Drama by far |
Absolutely. Comparing GFTO to Drama is like comparing Shakespeare to Sid Snot.
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 13:31 |
rdtprog wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
Chris S wrote:
The thing is YES do not need to prove anything to anyone and the majority of fans will enjoy the experience of seeing them live. What I find odd is how poor Benoit David sounds live, and the fact so few people have mentioned it??? Perhaps it's just me :- ) |
Benoit's vocal shortcomings have been discussed on several threads on PA, if you search around the threads you'll see them.
His studio voice isn't bad, and I think composing the songs into an easier voice range (tenor vs. contra-tenor) brings out David's natural strengths. However, he's clearly struggling onstage.
Part of this is probably because he's an amateur vocalist. Singing in a tribute band is loads of fun, but trib bands usually don't go on cross-country tours, playing night after night! Anderson has been doing that for over 40 years, so he knows how to protect his vocal chords & pace himself.
Even more annoying than his vocal shortcomings have been his stage demeanor! I haven't seen this group live & am not so motivated, but B. David could certainly use some professional training on how to comport himself in front of a large audience that has paid up to $100 or more per ticket.
Twirling around, acting like a town fool etc. onstage is not really within the classic Yes stage paradigm. |
Who is to blame here for the choice of this inexperienced vocalist? Squire, Yes, the manager... Or maybe they don't care... Can we blame the guy who want be part of this great band.
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Squire, who has admitted such in quite a few interviews.
It's not David's fault - who can blame him for taking part?
It is the cavalier and nasty way that Anderson was "dispensed" with, when ill, and the fact that none of them, Wakeman &White aside, even bothered to contact him during his illness, that leaves a very sour taste in the mouth as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 12:47 |
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Prefer GFTO to Drama by far
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 11:56 |
cstack3 wrote:
Chris S wrote:
The thing is YES do not need to prove anything to anyone and the majority of fans will enjoy the experience of seeing them live. What I find odd is how poor Benoit David sounds live, and the fact so few people have mentioned it??? Perhaps it's just me :- ) |
Benoit's vocal shortcomings have been discussed on several threads on PA, if you search around the threads you'll see them.
His studio voice isn't bad, and I think composing the songs into an easier voice range (tenor vs. contra-tenor) brings out David's natural strengths. However, he's clearly struggling onstage.
Part of this is probably because he's an amateur vocalist. Singing in a tribute band is loads of fun, but trib bands usually don't go on cross-country tours, playing night after night! Anderson has been doing that for over 40 years, so he knows how to protect his vocal chords & pace himself.
Even more annoying than his vocal shortcomings have been his stage demeanor! I haven't seen this group live & am not so motivated, but B. David could certainly use some professional training on how to comport himself in front of a large audience that has paid up to $100 or more per ticket.
Twirling around, acting like a town fool etc. onstage is not really within the classic Yes stage paradigm. |
Who is to blame here for the choice of this inexperienced vocalist? Squire, Yes, the manager... Or maybe they don't care... Can we blame the guy who want be part of this great band.
Edited by rdtprog - July 24 2011 at 12:52
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 11:51 |
Chris S wrote:
The thing is YES do not need to prove anything to anyone and the majority of fans will enjoy the experience of seeing them live. What I find odd is how poor Benoit David sounds live, and the fact so few people have mentioned it??? Perhaps it's just me :- ) |
Benoit's vocal shortcomings have been discussed on several threads on PA, if you search around the threads you'll see them.
His studio voice isn't bad, and I think composing the songs into an easier voice range (tenor vs. contra-tenor) brings out David's natural strengths. However, he's clearly struggling onstage.
Part of this is probably because he's an amateur vocalist. Singing in a tribute band is loads of fun, but trib bands usually don't go on cross-country tours, playing night after night! Anderson has been doing that for over 40 years, so he knows how to protect his vocal chords & pace himself.
Even more annoying than his vocal shortcomings have been his stage demeanor! I haven't seen this group live & am not so motivated, but B. David could certainly use some professional training on how to comport himself in front of a large audience that has paid up to $100 or more per ticket.
Twirling around, acting like a town fool etc. onstage is not really within the classic Yes stage paradigm.
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Posted: July 24 2011 at 11:17 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In my opinion "Fly From Here" is the best album Yes released since DRAMA, and this are strong words, because I consider Drama superior to GFTO and of course Tormato.
I love to see the band approaching the end of their careers with new music instead of playing the same set of songs they been playing for 4 decades at least 10 years more...No matter how good they are.
Strong release.
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This coming from someone who is admittedly not a Yes/Jon Anderson fan. I listened to it once, I liked it. I'm in no hurry to buy a copy.
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 23:31 |
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I bought it today. As much as I dislike Anderson's lyrics, his voice is really necessary in Yes and I will probably miss him, but reading many of the comments here I'm more optimistic. I like Drama a lot after all.
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