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Dellinger
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Posted: July 25 2011 at 19:15 |
At last I got this album. I tried not to expect another classic Yes album, but I can't help be a bit dissapointed... perhaps after a few more listens I'll get it in better. However, most of the songs are somewhat weak for me... but in the end, the only Yes albums that have been completley strong for me have been Fragile and CttE, all the others have songs I don't like so much (though the strong ones are among my favourite music). I don't like the Fly From Here suite as an epic song, it just doesn't hold together so well; perhaps if they had worked the transitions better it could have done the trick, but they actually just about made a pause between each part... and that's particularly notable on Bumpy Ride (certainly one that I don't like, but if they had made the transition better and boosted the piece a bit it might have been a worthy part of the song). However, parts 1 and 2 (tracks 2 & 3) are really good... pop songs, I'm still making my mind about part 3 (track 4). I'm also still making my mind about the last song, though that one I think I will come to like.
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible.
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Posted: July 25 2011 at 20:31 |
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
Good point, due to his background as Yes tribute band singer, i expected him to believe the best way to please the Yes fans would be acting as a Jon clone...Luckily he didn't.
He has a nice range (never heard him on stage, so I can't say a word about that) and more similar to Trevor Horn than Jon Anderson
As you know, I hate Jon's voice, so I believe the change is good for the band, and even better if Benoit David continues singing as Benoit David.
Iván.
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 02:41 |
Dellinger wrote:
At last I got this album. I tried not to expect another classic Yes album, but I can't help be a bit dissapointed... perhaps after a few more listens I'll get it in better. However, most of the songs are somewhat weak for me... but in the end, the only Yes albums that have been completley strong for me have been Fragile and CttE, all the others have songs I don't like so much (though the strong ones are among my favourite music). I don't like the Fly From Here suite as an epic song, it just doesn't hold together so well; perhaps if they had worked the transitions better it could have done the trick, but they actually just about made a pause between each part... and that's particularly notable on Bumpy Ride (certainly one that I don't like, but if they had made the transition better and boosted the piece a bit it might have been a worthy part of the song). However, parts 1 and 2 (tracks 2 & 3) are really good... pop songs, I'm still making my mind about part 3 (track 4). I'm also still making my mind about the last song, though that one I think I will come to like.
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
more listenings didn't help me. after dozen efforts I'm slowly beginning to give up. for me there's nothing interesting anymore, softpop/aor is not for me. only thing I still enjoy in FFH is Steve Howe. better luck to you ...
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 02:59 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
Good point, due to his background as Yes tribute band singer, i expected him to believe the best way to please the Yes fans would be acting as a Jon clone...Luckily he didn't.
He has a nice range (never heard him on stage, so I can't say a word about that) and more similar to Trevor Horn than Jon Anderson
As you know, I hate Jon's voice, so I believe the change is good for the band, and even better if Benoit David continues singing as Benoit David.
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so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 11:27 |
akaBona wrote:
so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel
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By the contrary, I like many Yes albums despite Jon Anderson.
You can' stop loving Close t the Edge, Relayer and even The Yes album, because the music is superb, no matter if they are sung by The Chipmunks.
I find no charisma in Jon Anderson, I feel embarrassment each time I see him speaking nonsense on stage and acting as if he was the guru of metaphysics.
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
Iván
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 12:36 |
akaBona wrote:
David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. |
He was not hired to be charismatic. Haven't heard the latest tour, but was lucky enough that the first two actually stopped in my obscure neck of the woods. He was ok. Thank your lucky stars that Horn isn't singing.
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 12:38 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
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Speaking what I feel = Hater
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 12:56 |
akaBona wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, and Benoit David, I think he did a pretty nice job here, the vocals are rather beautiful... though of course, Anderson is still my favourite, and his voice is indeed unique, Yes should just not try to replace him as such, it's not possible. |
Good point, due to his background as Yes tribute band singer, i expected him to believe the best way to please the Yes fans would be acting as a Jon clone...Luckily he didn't.
He has a nice range (never heard him on stage, so I can't say a word about that) and more similar to Trevor Horn than Jon Anderson
As you know, I hate Jon's voice, so I believe the change is good for the band, and even better if Benoit David continues singing as Benoit David.
Iván. |
so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel
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Again, I have to ask: why is David having so much difficulty this time around, when he got good reviews on the other tours?
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 13:16 |
I'm curious as well.
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 13:21 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
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Speaking what I feel = Hater |
Why hater?
People say here I don't like ELP, Genesis, Dream Theater, etc, and it's OK
I simply can't stand Jon's vocal range and lack of style.
I joined this place to speak freely about what I like and what I don't like about Prog, it would be futile to be here if I had to only praise musicians.
I haven't said Jon Anderson's voice is crap, I haven't insulted him (most likely is a nice person), I simply cant resist his voice but worst his lack of modulation (Hey I like Geddy Lee and even David Surkamp due to the work they did on their voices), and I believe I'm entitled to dislike something and express it with honesty.
I believe Benoit David (At least in studio) is an improvement, that's my honest opinion and I will express it with freedom on the place I consider my second house.
Iván
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 13:41 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
Iván |
Speaking what I feel = Hater |
Why hater?
People say here I don't like ELP, Genesis, Dream Theater, etc, and it's OK
I simply can't stand Jon's vocal range and lack of style.
I joined this place to speak freely about what I like and what I don't like about Prog, it would be futile to be here if I had to only praise musicians.
I haven't said Jon Anderson's voice is crap, I haven't insulted him (most likely is a nice person), I simply cant resist his voice but worst his lack of modulation (Hey I like Geddy Lee and even David Surkamp due to the work they did on their voices), and I believe I'm entitled to dislike something and express it with honesty.
I believe Benoit David (At least in studio) is an improvement, that's my honest opinion and I will express it with freedom on the place I consider my second house.
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Absolutely you have this right, Ivan, and you express your views eloquently as ever.
However, equally, I must say that I have never disagreed more with anyone in my life as with you re Jon Anderson.
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 16:25 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
akaBona wrote:
so there are not so many Yes albums you enjoy if you hate Anderson! David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. the thing that makes me worried (because I have tickets to their Helsinki concert) is those live clips I've seen him performing classic Yes material. if that's the reality, Yes is swimming quite deep water. FFH vocals seem ok (if you accept "nobody" singing in Yes), but we all know that in studio they can make you and me sound like Simon and Garfunkel
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By the contrary, I like many Yes albums despite Jon Anderson.
You can' stop loving Close t the Edge, Relayer and even The Yes album, because the music is superb, no matter if they are sung by The Chipmunks.
I find no charisma in Jon Anderson, I feel embarrassment each time I see him speaking nonsense on stage and acting as if he was the guru of metaphysics.
And no, studios can't make miracles, Jon Anderson sounds like Jon Anderson (flat boring and without technique) despite what they use.
Sorry fr the extreme honesty, but I always speak what I feel.
Iván |
I see you really hate Anderson, hope David eases your pain. I still find it odd you loving those classic Yes albums, because Anderson's voice is so essential part of Yes ... It's like saying I love Led Zeppelin but I hate Plant's voice. I'm sure even David thinks Anderson is much much better singer. Yes, they can make miracles in studio
Edited by akaBona - July 26 2011 at 16:29
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 16:27 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
akaBona wrote:
David is, compared to Anderson, so uncharismatic, he adds nothing personal to FFH. |
He was not hired to be charismatic. Haven't heard the latest tour, but was lucky enough that the first two actually stopped in my obscure neck of the woods. He was ok. Thank your lucky stars that Horn isn't singing. |
We all know David was hired because of his stage dance and his rumba shakers technique ...
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 16:42 |
akaBona wrote:
I see you really hate Anderson, hope David eases your pain. I still find it odd you loving those classic Yes albums, because Anderson's voice is so essential part of Yes ... It's like saying I love Led Zeppelin but I hate Plant's voice. I'm sure even David thinks Anderson is much much better singer.
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I love Yes MUSIC, I love the performances of Howe, Squire, Wakeman (Moraz - Downes), Bruford (White), and got used to Jon's voice (I don't hate him, I hate his vocal range).
But I believe Benoit is an improvement, and I don't care what he thinks of Anderson's voice, as Peter Gabriel said..."I Know What I like" Sadly the music they are doing know is not in the level of the music in CttE or Relayer (Except Soon ).
To end, studios can improve the sound of a voice, but not create what doesn't exist.
Iván
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Posted: July 26 2011 at 17:20 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
akaBona wrote:
I see you really hate Anderson, hope David eases your pain. I still find it odd you loving those classic Yes albums, because Anderson's voice is so essential part of Yes ... It's like saying I love Led Zeppelin but I hate Plant's voice. I'm sure even David thinks Anderson is much much better singer.
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I love Yes MUSIC, I love the performances of Howe, Squire, Wakeman (Moraz - Downes), Bruford (White), and got used to Jon's voice (I don't hate him, I hate his vocal range).
But I believe Benoit is an improvement, and I don't care what he thinks of Anderson's voice, as Peter Gabriel said..."I Know What I like" Sadly the music they are doing know is not in the level of the music in CttE or Relayer (Except Soon ).
To end, studios can improve the sound of a voice, but not create what doesn't exist.
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Quite much time goes talking about David and FFH. Avarage singer in once legendary band, nowadays run by Buggles. What comes from the owen is FFH. Sad story, I've never lost my interest to new Yes album this quickly. We both are happy that Anderson is not involved
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Posted: July 28 2011 at 08:55 |
chopper wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
richardh wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Most awful album since "Open your eyes" I thought Yes was a progband, and Steve Howe promised 'fresh music'. Instead we get all pop, and instead of fresh music, the majority of it is just re-workings of 30-years-old Buggles material. |
Would have been nice if they could have redefined the whole progressive rock genre I suppose but many of us are realistic and were hoping for just something listenable and this certainly is. I would put it on a par (quality and style wise) with Asia's Phoenix album which also featured Howe and Downes.Good solid efforts just not 'progressive'. |
The difference is that Pheonix kept that Asia sound from the first two albums. Most of FFH does not sound like the Yes we know and love. And despite what various people are claiming, it doesn't sound one bit like the Drama lineup (which is probably a plus here, although another Machine Messiah would have been nice.) |
Ah, but which is the Yes we know and love? The Kaye era Yes? The "classic" era? The Moraz Yes? The Rabin Yes? The Drama Yes? To me this is another great album in their history and we should be grateful they're still making music this good after 43 years.
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This post makes more sense than any other. How many of us can call himself a Yes fan? And why? What is Yes that we love or hate, the band formation, their skills as musicians or as songwriters?
No, that's what they finally deliver to us. MUSIC! Just the simple emotions that reach us in the deep of our hearts and gives us the need to even type some words here!
IMO the worst thing a fan can do is to compare a record to another, a band to another, this to that. This is a complete nonsense! We loose the pure essence of what's behind, what makes us to listen to it again and again, to sing along, no matter it sells a million or just a few copies, no matter what the lyrics is a nonsense, just because it's a mindflow, like poetry is, words that sound like music, the meaning is how it sounds, and what it recalls in each of us.
Watch out! Progressive is not just a mellotronish good old style. It might be a research, something way deeper than a different 4/4 signature. Maybe it's done with style, but that's not a style. :)
Have you ever asked Chris Squire what he thinks Progressive rock is? He tells you "I don't know".
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Posted: July 28 2011 at 12:56 |
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Again, I have to ask: why is David having so much difficulty this time around, when he got good reviews on the other tours?
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I've said this before....B. David is NOT a professional vocalist! Sure, he sang with another band and his Yes tribute in Canada, but I doubt if he had anything close to the workout he's getting on this tour.
This is hard work.....touring, packing/unpacking, warming up, singing the gig (and pushing himself because of the reputation he has to fill), and possibly dealing with a touch of laryngitis on the road.
He's great on FFH, but he needs a professional vocal coach to help him with the touring pressures. Anderson sang professionally for 40 years, so he knows the routine well, and he was wise to sit this out when his health didn't allow.
He'll improve with time, assuming that Yes will be around for subsequent albums and tours. I'm not sure if this is a swan-song or not.....they sold out the Allstate Arena in the Chicago suburbs for the 35th Anniversary tour in 2003 (18,500 seats) but are struggling to sell out small venues like casinos on this one.
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Posted: July 28 2011 at 16:11 |
I'm thinking this is the end, except for the obligatory live album and DVD. Time has not been kind to Squire.
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Posted: July 28 2011 at 16:40 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
I'm thinking this is the end, except for the obligatory live album and DVD. Time has not been kind to Squire. |
Nah, they'll just replace him with the bassist from a tribute band.
Yes will still exist 200 years from now, with original members' great-great-great-great-grandchildren, tribute-band members, and Steve Howe.
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