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cannon
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Posted: July 15 2011 at 11:11 |
I think you can't go wrong with starting with one of these four: ELP, Tarkus, Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 15 2011 at 11:16 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Brain Salad Surgery.
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^ THIS
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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jammun
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Posted: July 15 2011 at 22:26 |
C'mon people, that first album is excellent if you only count The Barbarian and Knife-Edge. Take A Pebble is a pretty good song, especially live. Lucky Man, Three Fates, Tank, not so good. But it's a nice intro to the group (and for that matter all prog in general) because it is full of jaw-dropping music, overly ornate music, and just stuff listeners eventually came to detest about prog. Personally to the newcomer I'd recommend Tarkus, but ELP has at least a little to make it worth recognition. Hell, warts and all, it's better than any Moodies album.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 15 2011 at 22:29 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 15 2011 at 22:47 |
Such different albums and a joy just to see how far they took things in a year. The first is completely brilliant and Tarkus, well, it doesn't get much better. The second side is notoriously patchy and those notorieties would be wrong: it rocks hard, 'Eddy' being the only clunker (and it's a spoof anyway)
And so the answer is of course both.
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jammun
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Posted: July 16 2011 at 01:12 |
Any of the first five albums are worthy. ELP has absolutely kick-ass prog-rock, emphasis on the rock. Tarkus Side 1 is not to be messed with. Pictures is a fair live album. Trilogy is no slouch. BSS the same. Really, I couldn't recommend any one over the others. If pressed, I suppose Tarkus is a good starting point. ELP's albums are unfortunately all hit and miss, which is unfortunate because as they say when they are good, they are very very good. I know many 'round here think BSS is the peak, but to me it's just another good ELP album. Notice I did not say mediocre. Of those first five, none are mediocre. They just never approach greatness, as a whole. Too bad, really. One of the finest prog rock bands of the era never made a great album.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: July 16 2011 at 02:13 |
^ I agree with most of this but for me, Brain Salad Surgery is their one true bona fide 5 star album, and perhaps the greatest Symphonic Progressive rock record released to date. What's interesting about ELP is how they came 'full circle' from the début to Works Volume 1 where the same problems that manifest themselves at the outset came to be their undoing at the end i.e. the 1st album has 3 solo pieces included to appease their individual creators (Three Fates, Tank* and Lucky Man) while Works Vol 1 has an entire side devoted to each band member.
*credited to Palmer but Emerson wrote it
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yanch
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Posted: July 16 2011 at 06:41 |
IMHO Tarkus is a great song, but the album is only okay because of side 2. Any of the first 4 studio albums-ELP, Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy(quite underrated IMHO) are good. I'd also recommend the live album, Welcome Back my Friends to the Show That Never ends, which has an excellent blend of their earlier albums.
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rdtprog
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Posted: July 16 2011 at 06:54 |
I would go with Tarkus, but it's a touch choice, better spend a little more for a lot more with this essential compilation that got everything you need :
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MattGuitat
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Posted: July 16 2011 at 12:47 |
Obviously...
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GypsyJoker
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Posted: July 16 2011 at 23:25 |
1) EL&P 2) Brain Salad Surgery 3) Trilogy 4) Pictures 7) Tarkus
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voliveira
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 13:14 |
I am definitely not ELP fan, but I recommend the debut album. Without doubt the best of them.
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"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 14:59 |
BSS is not ELP's top, Tarkus and Trilogy are.....
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silverpot
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 15:26 |
jean-marie wrote:
BSS is not ELP's top, Tarkus and Trilogy are..... |
That's my opinion too.
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 16:37 |
silverpot wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
BSS is not ELP's top, Tarkus and Trilogy are..... |
That's my opinion too. Fell good to be with the family
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octopus-4
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 16:41 |
Trilogy is were I started from and still my favorite together with Tarkus and the debut, but I really love Works even with all its weaknesses. You can't give up to Piano Concerto #1 and Fanfare for the Common Man.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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richardh
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Posted: July 18 2011 at 10:56 |
Oh dear ,so many opinions and so little objectivity.Jammun gets my vote for the only remotely useful post that actually allows the listener to have an opinion. People who say this or that must be the best are just not helping. ELP were a sometimes inspired mostly inconsistent band who were less focused than other bands of the time. But they were not capable of producing rubbish in that early seventies period (1970 - 1974). The first four studio albums are all available at a reasonable price. Get all of them,listen to them and make a compilation from them of your favourite tracks.Sorted.
Edited by richardh - July 18 2011 at 10:57
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: July 19 2011 at 23:29 |
Actually come to think of it f**k the studio albums. Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends is all you'll need by ELP. they play WAY better on that then any studio album IMO. Plus it has pretty much all their best stuff
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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octopus-4
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Posted: July 20 2011 at 00:13 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
Actually come to think of it f**k the studio albums. Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends is all you'll need by ELP. they play WAY better on that then any studio album IMO. Plus it has pretty much all their best stuff |
I subscribe this also because of the >10 minutes of piano improvisations in the second CD.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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richardh
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Posted: July 20 2011 at 14:33 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
Actually come to think of it f**k the studio albums. Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends is all you'll need by ELP. they play WAY better on that then any studio album IMO. Plus it has pretty much all their best stuff |
The main issue I think with this is the production which is inferior to Pictures. ELP also play at break neck speed which is not to everyone's taste. The studio version of Tarkus may seem less dynamic but all the detail is present and I think its better therefore for someone coming to the band for the first time.
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