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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:41
The divide between the more pop minded prog fan, and the more avant minded prog fan has nothing to do with age. It is just a divide in preference. 

Camel, Yes and Genesis were always very pop minded.

Furthermore, I know far more music fans who listen to Kayo Dot, than listen to Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, or Neal Morse.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:44
Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:

The divide between the more pop minded prog fan, and the more avant minded prog fan has nothing to do with age. It is just a divide in preference. 

Camel, Yes and Genesis were always very pop minded.

Furthermore, I know far more music fans who listen to Kayo Dot, than listen to Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, or Neal Morse.




That surely reflects your company, really, because Spocks Beard must have more fans than KD, I'd assume.  A section of metalheads are into Maudlin of the Well but I am not so sure about KD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:49
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:

The divide between the more pop minded prog fan, and the more avant minded prog fan has nothing to do with age. It is just a divide in preference. 

Camel, Yes and Genesis were always very pop minded.

Furthermore, I know far more music fans who listen to Kayo Dot, than listen to Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, or Neal Morse.




That surely reflects your company, really, because Spocks Beard must have more fans than KD, I'd assume.  A section of metalheads are into Maudlin of the Well but I am not so sure about KD.


Perhaps to some degree. But my point by saying I know more music fans that like KD, than Spock's Beard, was to suggest that KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about music in general (ie music nerds).  People I used to work at, at music stores who are generally indie music fans would appreciate Kayo Dot, but would laugh at Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings I imagine.

I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse.

Either way, as a youngun of 23 years, who only likes PT and Anathema of the bands mentioned in the OP, and generally listens to more abstract noncommercial prog I can use myself as a counter to this ludicrous thread.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:58
Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:



I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse. 



J Man on this very website considers Neal Morse the greatest songwriter ever last I heard (not that I personally do) and I wouldn't question his passion for music (referring to the earlier para which I haven't quoted here).  Rob, he of the Epignosis fame, is also a SB/Morse fan as far as I know.  So I am inclined to disagree with you.  He he, I don't know what it is that makes some avant gardists distrust melody so much.  Wink

Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:



Either way, as a youngun of 23 years, who only likes PT and Anathema of the bands mentioned in the OP, and generally listens to more abstract noncommercial prog I can use myself as a counter to this ludicrous thread.


Fair enough and agreed that the premise is indeed ludicrous.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 11:54
Did someone call DT mainstream Shocked
I dunno about that, I put it on the sound system and the younguns in the house run for the hills -  lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 11:54
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:


I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse. 

J Man on this very website considers Neal Morse the greatest songwriter ever last I heard (not that I personally do) and I wouldn't question his passion for music (referring to the earlier para which I haven't quoted here).  Rob, he of the Epignosis fame, is also a SB/Morse fan as far as I know.  So I am inclined to disagree with you. 


He said "personally know,"  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such a distinction does not include strangers on a website.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 16:23
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

The noise that guy is making... I'm sorry... growls, are horrible Dead

You can't denigrate anyone's voice if you like Dream Theater.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:45
Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:


I know more hipsters that like KD, than Spock's Beard... KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about pseudo-intellectual metal (ie wannabe-music majors and Guitar Center employees). People I used to work at, at music stores who are generally indie music fans would appreciate Kayo Dot, but would laugh at Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings I imagine (too much melody and sincerity).
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Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:


I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse.
Cool story, bro.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:47
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:


I know more hipsters that like KD, than Spock's Beard... KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about pseudo-intellectual metal (ie wannabe-music majors and Guitar Center employees). People I used to work at, at music stores who are generally indie music fans would appreciate Kayo Dot, but would laugh at Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings I imagine (too much melody and sincerity).
Fixed.

Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:


I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse.
Cool story, bro.



Speaking of derp...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:52
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

He said "personally know,"  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such a distinction does not include strangers on a website.


He ALSO said KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about music and such a distinction between both bands is illusory. It's incredibly presumptuous to believe SB would not appeal to people who genuinely love music just because it's not to one's taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:54
Hey don't make fun of that QuestionableScum guy, English ain't his first language ok? ... I hope.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:55
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

He said "personally know,"  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such a distinction does not include strangers on a website.


He ALSO said KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about music and such a distinction between both bands is illusory. It's incredibly presumptuous to believe SB would not appeal to people who genuinely love music just because it's not to one's taste.


Why direct those comments to me?  They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote.  Try addressing the person who made them.

Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Hey don't make fun of that QuestionableScum guy, English ain't his first language ok? ... I hope.


I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:57
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Why direct those comments to me?  They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote.  Try addressing the person who made them.


I responded to your remark "out on a limb...blah blah". I have already answered on his comments (er, to which you responded, I presume).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:01
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Why direct those comments to me?  They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote.  Try addressing the person who made them.


I responded to your remark "out on a limb...blah blah". I have already answered on his comments (er, to which you responded, I presume).
I think you should re-read the above posts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:01
WHAT IS GOING ON I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:02
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
My issue was with that guy who tried to show a correlation between "avant" metal and "real music fans". At least I'm more likable than that type of person.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:04
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
My issue was with that guy who tried to show a correlation between "avant" metal and "real music fans". At least I'm more likable than that type of person.


You say that his opinion is an indication that English is not his first language, an assertion that is not only a personal attack on him, but is insulting to everybody ESL.  Opinions aren't valid because people don't come from the same culture as you?  What a disgusting attitude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:04
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
My issue was with that guy who tried to show a correlation between "avant" metal and "real music fans". At least I'm more likable than that type of person.
Yes, because if someone does not like your derivative faux-70's symphonic, they are clearly hipsters. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:05
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Why direct those comments to me?  They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote.  Try addressing the person who made them.


I responded to your remark "out on a limb...blah blah". I have already answered on his comments (er, to which you responded, I presume).
I think you should re-read the above posts.



Uh, what?  Obviously I do know that strangers on the internet do not constitute people one knows. But since Triceratopsoil was, well, kind enough to state that specifically, I said that that was not what I had addressed.  Now what is the confusion here?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:06
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Why direct those comments to me?  They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote.  Try addressing the person who made them.


I responded to your remark "out on a limb...blah blah". I have already answered on his comments (er, to which you responded, I presume).
I think you should re-read the above posts.



Uh, what?  Obviously I do know that strangers on the internet do not constitute people one knows. But since Triceratopsoil was, well, kind enough to state that specifically, I said that that was not what I had addressed.  Now what is the confusion here?


The fact that you are telling me things you mean to tell QuestionableScum.
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