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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:06
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I just meant to say that I'm not actively working towards the goal of killing the music industry. Over at Progfreak.com I'm also heavily linking to Amazon for both CDs and downloads. I favor the downloads, as they are less cumbersome, more affordable and, for various reasons, the future of music, in my opinion.
So you are you saying that in this situation:
 
..where the mp3 download is £0.90 more than the CD (inc delivery) you would buy the download and not the CD eventhough it is less affordable?
 
 

In this situation I would get the real album, but I know that when the album first came out the CD was much more expensive. Obviously they lowered the price - and you'll always find such situations.

Last weekend BTW Amazon offered the top 5000 MP3 albums for EUR 4.89 each - I ended up buying about EUR 100 worth of music, more than 20 albums. It works both ways - and as always, CAVEAT EMPTOR.Big smile 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:24
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:


In this situation I would get the real album, but I know that when the album first came out the CD was much more expensive. Obviously they lowered the price - and you'll always find such situations.
Exactly ... and that is all anyone here is saying - regardless the packaging or the file format we buy what we prefer when a preference is available and most of us will pay what we think is reasonable for the format we want. However if downloads were always more expensive than CDs I don't think that would hold true because what you are paying for then is convenience and immediacy.
 
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:


Last weekend BTW Amazon offered the top 5000 MP3 albums for EUR 4.89 each - I ended up buying about EUR 100 worth of music, more than 20 albums. It works both ways - and as always, CAVEAT EMPTOR.Big smile 
And I did the same in HMV's sale when they were offering CDs for £3.99 - so it's still working both ways - however given the choice I spent my £100 on more than 20 CDs you spent your €100 on more than 20 album downloads, we're poorer, Amazon & HMV are richer and everyone is happy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:46
^ If band X is in league with the music industry and I enjoy their music, I don't mind "jumping through the hoop". The primary objective for me is still to acquire the music - so I'll gravitate towards downloads, since most of the time they are the best match to what I really want.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:51
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I just meant to say that I'm not actively working towards the goal of killing the music industry. Over at Progfreak.com I'm also heavily linking to Amazon for both CDs and downloads. I favor the downloads, as they are less cumbersome, more affordable and, for various reasons, the future of music, in my opinion.
 
I know Mike;;;; that's what I meant in my last intervention...
 
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and of course it pisses me off to buy a new or old ECM  album at €17.50 (that's pretty well the standard price everywhere in the Benelux and Germany)... Even the ECM rep I spoke with yesterday at the festival told me that it was a policy they won't budge on... (little does he know that you can get ECM for as little as €8.00 plus postage on Amazon)....
 
He then told me that the orderiing policy can be quite a bitch as well, as some labels force on you some 50 copies if you order directly or if else you have to go to the ditributors (Bertus in Belgium, for ex....therefore whatever you don't pay in postage costs, the middle man takes roughly the same margin....
 
He (shop-owner & ECM-rep) admitted to most of my points, but he also says that the high-price for big-selling albums sort of reimburses the losses incurred with the release of albums that will not make break-even point, and Mafred Eicher (the boss label) already knows it ahead of time, but goes ahead and gives the artste a chance.
 
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what really pisses me off in this industry is that the percentage of that full-price is going to the artiste >> it's pityful, unless you sell millions of them.....
 
But losing physical albums will simply make everyone lose something.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:54
Why doesn't amazon or itunes offer  wav or flac? Also, do you think vinyl usually sounds better than CD or is that a myth too? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:57
Originally posted by Bronsonia Bronsonia wrote:

Why doesn't amazon or itunes offer  wav or flac?


Because they're large files compared to mp3/aac and 99.9% of their user base doesn't care.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 10:02
The latter is the most compelling reason - never give the customers more than they think they need.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:27
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Lossless usually only sounds noticeably better if you make stuff up.


If you are using iPod earbuds straight into your motherboard's headphone jack, it's going to sound like poop regardless of the quality of the file.
That doesn't prove that it will sound like gold-plated unicorn farts on an audiophilists rig, regardless of the file format.


I didn't say that either Smile

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Lossless usually only sounds noticeably better if you make stuff up.


If you are using iPod earbuds straight into your motherboard's headphone jack, it's going to sound like poop regardless of the quality of the file.

When did a "motherboard's headphone jack" enter into this discussion? Regardless, iPod earbuds are headphones, and most modern motherboards have decent D/A converters, so it's most definitely not going to sound like poop. I can't test it myself though, since I don't have an iPod ... and if I had one, I would not use the earbuds that come with it.


Of course you wouldn't, because they sound horrible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:51
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Lossless usually only sounds noticeably better if you make stuff up.


If you are using iPod earbuds straight into your motherboard's headphone jack, it's going to sound like poop regardless of the quality of the file.
That doesn't prove that it will sound like gold-plated unicorn farts on an audiophilists rig, regardless of the file format.

I didn't say that either Smile
Of course you didn't, what you said was:
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Lossless usually only sounds noticeably better if you have a fairly high-quality listening rig
..and in my flippant way I have responded with "no it doesn't" but in manner that is more reflective of your poetic use of "poop". Big smile
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:41
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Steve Vai probably knows how to work the music business as well as any artist. I listened to him give about 2 1/2 hours of lecture on the subject. It was dizzying. He talked about advice he'd gotten from Zappa all the way up to his promotion of artists now and how he turns a profit doing what he recognizes as a very niche but consistent style.

One of the things that Vai talked about is that because of various contract structures, an artist might make pennies off a song download from iTunes, but make up to 75 cents on the dollar on other sites. For my favorite artists, I try to pay attention to this. I think their best profit probably comes from buying an album at the merch counter at a show.
 
 

Incidentally: Quite some time ago (I think in early 2010) Vai began making available new music one track at a time on eMusic and Amazon exclusively via downloads:


It's seven songs ("VaiTunes").

 
Was Steve Vai normally not allowing digital downloading of his catalog?? I use Zune Marketmplace and seems like all his material is available for purchase and Zune Pass downloading......
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 15:30
...listen to Alan Parsons opinion about digital, MP3 from 14mn30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDTXFN1Soo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 15:59
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Steve Vai probably knows how to work the music business as well as any artist. I listened to him give about 2 1/2 hours of lecture on the subject. It was dizzying. He talked about advice he'd gotten from Zappa all the way up to his promotion of artists now and how he turns a profit doing what he recognizes as a very niche but consistent style.

One of the things that Vai talked about is that because of various contract structures, an artist might make pennies off a song download from iTunes, but make up to 75 cents on the dollar on other sites. For my favorite artists, I try to pay attention to this. I think their best profit probably comes from buying an album at the merch counter at a show.
 
 

Incidentally: Quite some time ago (I think in early 2010) Vai began making available new music one track at a time on eMusic and Amazon exclusively via downloads:


It's seven songs ("VaiTunes").

 
Was Steve Vai normally not allowing digital downloading of his catalog?? I use Zune Marketmplace and seems like all his material is available for purchase and Zune Pass downloading......
  

Sure he was ... and is. I didn't mean to say exclusively on eMusic and Amazon, but rather "exclusively via downloads". And I only mentioned this because Sean mentioned him earlier in the thread. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:03
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

...listen to Alan Parsons opinion about digital, MP3 from 14mn30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDTXFN1Soo

He prefers digital ... what's your point?

(quote: "... but the advantages [of digital] I think outweigh the disadvantages of analog ..." and "I don't think I'd be the one to say "I think analog sounds better" ... ")


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:08
Wish Amazon.com offered downloads ro Australasia. This " Out Of region" response in a global market is rediculous. I guess that is why Apple are strides ahead...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:12
Originally posted by Bronsonia Bronsonia wrote:

Also, do you think vinyl usually sounds better than CD or is that a myth too? 
 
Yes they do sound better..(there I said it !!! LOL) and yes to many here it is a myth, since there is no natural explanation why it is so....Wink
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:24
There's this endearing crackling that only vinyl can add to a recording. It really makes the experience for me.
 
Just kidding. My parents had lots of vinyl that I listened to as a young child. I grew up on cassettes that turned to mud because I left them in the car. Any actual discernment I have is all well into the digital era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:27
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Wish Amazon.com offered downloads ro Australasia. This " Out Of region" response in a global market is rediculous. I guess that is why Apple are strides ahead...
 
I have not checked lately, but last I heard Microsoft was suppose to add Australia for the Zune Pass subscription service, not sure if that also was to include the 10 free song downloads per month. Not sure if you download the software you can purchase music, would have to setup a Zune account.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:34
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

There's this endearing crackling that only vinyl can add to a recording. It really makes the experience for me.
 
Just kidding. My parents had lots of vinyl that I listened to as a young child. I grew up on cassettes that turned to mud because I left them in the car. Any actual discernment I have is all well into the digital era.
 
Understood.....although there are some pretty good lables out right now making excellent re-issues on 180 gram vinyl. I just bought Judas Priest "Sad Wings of Destiny" re-issued by Koch Records, amazing! And I cannot find a better sound than the 30th anniversary edition of "Dark Side of the Moon" on 180g vinyl I bought several months ago...brilliant!!
 
But that's just me...!!
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 17:45
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

There's this endearing crackling that only vinyl can add to a recording. It really makes the experience for me.
 
Just kidding. My parents had lots of vinyl that I listened to as a young child. I grew up on cassettes that turned to mud because I left them in the car. Any actual discernment I have is all well into the digital era.
 
Understood.....although there are some pretty good lables out right now making excellent re-issues on 180 gram vinyl. I just bought Judas Priest "Sad Wings of Destiny" re-issued by Koch Records, amazing! And I cannot find a better sound than the 30th anniversary edition of "Dark Side of the Moon" on 180g vinyl I bought several months ago...brilliant!!
 
But that's just me...!!
 
Love it!! Cannot beat it :-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2011 at 18:39
Gah! ... I actually made my original 1973 first pressing DSotM vinyl into a wall clock in the late 70s because I'd worn it out and had to replace it (I've since replaced it two more times). On buying the first replacement I was a little disapointed to see they'd changed the pyramid on the label ... if only I'd know then that my original solid blue pyramid version was quite rare I wouldn't have made a clock out of it Ouch
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