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Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:16
Slaughternalia wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
There's probably worse music on the archives, but the only reason I could think of someone to even think of listening to this is to look "deep" with their last.fm scrobbles.
It sure as hell wouldn't make them look deep.
In the same way some who's favourite painter is Jackson Pollack is "deep". It kind of pisses me off when people try to pass Beefheart for a "genius" or something for playing some retarded sounding blues rock.
I like Beefheart and never look at his music as deep or genius but calling his music retarded-sounding is a little offensive. He did put alot of work into the record and some like it, some don't, simple as that.
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:41
Sorry Negoba, but, that album does not cause the listener physical pain. If you want to listen to something that causes physical pain, then get that Aube cd that Conor did a review on, or get some later works by Ryoji Ikeda.
That album is DISTURBING on many levels, but physical pain? no.
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:59
harmonium.ro wrote:
Negoba wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Negoba wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
In your opinion.
There's no such thing to those who (to quote a sig that was famous on PA a long while ago) "confuse their opinions as facts".
You're free to follow the relativist path. I do not.
I'm not a relativist; I just don't think "objective truth" can reside in one person's opinions, but more opinions and facts need to be collated together in order to assemble something that could be "objective" to some degree.
I've never claimed "objective truth" but I have claimed some degree of a right to opinion based on researching the song, multiple careful listens, listens to alternate takes, and by comparison to related artists including other work by the Zorn and Naked City.
I may have presented my moral belief as fact that torturing a human being in the most prolonged and painful way one can imagine as being a bad thing.
Yeah, you are pretty much claiming objective truth all to yourself. Plus, implying moral dificiencies on the part of those who like music you asses as bad and imoral must be one of the lamest things I've ever seen on PA.
Zorn is exploring spiritually dangerous territory. I don't think he's bad or immoral for doing so. I did not say anyone was "morally deficient" for listening as his attempt to express his explorations in hell.
But feel free to launch smilies at me all you want. We lame-o's love little yellow circles.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:00
Sheavy wrote:
Sorry Negoba, but, that album does not cause the listener physical pain. If you want to listen to something that causes physical pain, then get that Aube cd that Conor did a review on, or get some later works by Ryoji Ikeda.
That album is DISTURBING on many levels, but physical pain? no.
Part of me is interested just for curiosity's sake. We'll see. So much music, only one lifetime.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 17:30
Negoba wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
What exactly makes this piece redeemable anyway?
It's probably redeemable because people have different tastes than you.
Don't hide behind that.
Not everything is just a matter of taste and personal opinion.
Some of my work is better than other work, and I know it.
Some "avant" music is brilliant. Some is drek. The nature of avant tends to make for more misses because so much is risked. When you're way out on a limb, you're going to fall more frequently than when you're on the ground.
Yes not everything is a matter of taste and personal opinion. Music is. Almost scientifically so.
If you want an objective reason, I think provokes a strong emotional response in me.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
There's probably worse music on the archives, but the only reason I could think of someone to even think of listening to this is to look "deep" with their last.fm scrobbles.
It sure as hell wouldn't make them look deep.
In the same way some who's favourite painter is Jackson Pollack is "deep". It kind of pisses me off when people try to pass Beefheart for a "genius" or something for playing some retarded sounding blues rock.
I like Beefheart and never look at his music as deep or genius but calling his music retarded-sounding is a little offensive. He did put alot of work into the record and some like it, some don't, simple as that.
RIP Don Van Vilet.
One of my all-time favorite albums, and I think Don really pushed the buttons of what we, as the listeners, perceive as music and how we think about music in general - no matter if we like the damn thing or not. i also find Pollock´s work to be brilliant, but hey - as this thread clearly shows, art is subjective
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 18:09
The Truth wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
There's probably worse music on the archives, but the only reason I could think of someone to even think of listening to this is to look "deep" with their last.fm scrobbles.
It sure as hell wouldn't make them look deep.
In the same way some who's favourite painter is Jackson Pollack is "deep". It kind of pisses me off when people try to pass Beefheart for a "genius" or something for playing some retarded sounding blues rock.
I like Beefheart and never look at his music as deep or genius but calling his music retarded-sounding is a little offensive. He did put alot of work into the record and some like it, some don't, simple as that.
RIP Don Van Vilet.
I agree that Musical taste is subjective, but I simply have a hard time believing that people legitimately enjoy this. Finding it interesting? Sure I could see that. But at the end of the day, It's pretty much just a mess of avant-garde w**kery with no structure or composition. And I mean no disrespect to Beefheart, i actually enjoy Safe As Milk to an extent, but I stand by my choice of words. Trout Mask Replica is retarded.
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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