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    Posted: June 30 2011 at 15:46

Arggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is actually fully legal and a private matter if you happens to be a rude, middle aged woman who think your coming daughter-in-law does not have manners. It is called "human rights". So why the hell does a middle aged woman, call her a stupid cow if you want, have to hide out of view in her house with many TV broadcasters parked up outside her front door ?

I refer to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13973331

So she sent her soon to be daughter in law a pretty lame email. So what ? Whose here has not sent stupid emails ? I have. Tonnes of them. Downright braindead emails which I sincerely hope has been nuked by now. But that is again my human rights to do so without this email going around the world like a virus. It is actually a human right to be stupid and doing stupid things in privacy or in a one-to-one conversation as an email is. 

So, it now seems like emails is  no longer private. In fact, they never have been. If you write an email, write it such that it can be read out by a news reader in CNN, FOX, SKY, BBC or on Mongolian TV without you having to emigrate to Baffin Island for some years. What is then the points of emails ? 

I cannot send any types of meaningful emails to others now. There is a Forward button on their email browsers now which is now being renamed to the Broadcast button. Or as in most cases; the Get Even button.  

I am prettty pissed off with this because

a.) My privacy has just been eroded.  

b.) It makes this email tool pretty useless  

c.) The ones in the mental asylums with convictions for paranoia is really the sane people now and should be employed as dead expensive IT consultants from now on because paranoia has to become the IT standard from now on.

In my case; I will have to use face to face when communicating issues I do not want to be broadcasted. And we are by then turning the full circle, back to the time before paper and IT was invented. Happy now, people ?   



 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 15:59
So let me see if I understand this. You write something. You send this thing to somebody else. They in turn send it to more people and you think your privacy has been violated?

lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 16:09
I thought this thread was going to be about something more serious, like cameras spying on free people or government control over the internet. Instead, it's about a forwarded email. Fail.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 16:11
The other day I told this guy at the bar that I didn't like his haircut.

Then he went and told his wife. What gives him the right to do that? My privacy was violated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 16:16
^oh what a b*****d... You should sue him for everything he's got.

On a related issue, I better not tell coworkers what I think about my boss, lest they violate my sacred privacy and get my sacred ass in trouble
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 16:44
In order not to violate anyone's privacy I chose not to read any of the posts in this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 17:21
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

So let me see if I understand this. You write something. You send this thing to somebody else. They in turn send it to more people and you think your privacy has been violated?

lol


Let's say that you write a letter to your girlfriend, in which you explain why you leave her (you prefer her sister, her roommate, her mother, one of your male co-worker, she has bad breath, who cares?)
She decides to send this letter to some national newspapers, asking if it's right that you break up because of the said reason.
Then, one of these newspapers accept to publish the letter and to comment it.

So, is your privacy violated or not?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:32
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

So let me see if I understand this. You write something. You send this thing to somebody else. They in turn send it to more people and you think your privacy has been violated?

lol

Let's say that you write a letter to your girlfriend, in which you explain why you leave her (you prefer her sister, her roommate, her mother, one of your male co-worker, she has bad breath, who cares?)
She decides to send this letter to some national newspapers, asking if it's right that you break up because of the said reason.
Then, one of these newspapers accept to publish the letter and to comment it.

So, is your privacy violated or not?

Isn't that pretty much what advice columns are?

As far as I'm concerned, once you write something on the internet you've broadcast it to the whole world and should consider it as such.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 04:30
I'm baffled why this story made the news at all. If the e-mail wasn't viral before it will be now.

When you think of everything that's going on in the world right now, how this found a slot on the main BBC news schedule is bordering on the surreal. It was like watching all those US presidential candidates the other day, being grilled by CNN about what sort of Pizza they prefer, while all around them their country is shutting down.


A silly non story.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 07:26
If you send a letter in the mail to someone, they can easily photocopy it and mail it to someone else. You might not expect them to, but they can do it.
They can do it 30 times, or 2000 times if they really wanted to. The internet has just made doing it more efficient and more mindless of a task.

Just because it happened with email, it doesn't mean that it should be condemned. Should the telephone, paper and pens, the public postal service and fax all be considered useless? No.





...Wouldn't want her to be my mother in law, btw.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 07:29
I don't consider an email or a private messenger any different to an old-fashioned letter in what privacy is concerned. Fortunately other people here think the same, and publishing PM contents here on the forum can be against the rules. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 07:37
I think this story is more about a shallow media than it is about privacy.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 07:42
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

So let me see if I understand this. You write something. You send this thing to somebody else. They in turn send it to more people and you think your privacy has been violated?

lol


Let's say that you write a letter to your girlfriend, in which you explain why you leave her (you prefer her sister, her roommate, her mother, one of your male co-worker, she has bad breath, who cares?)
She decides to send this letter to some national newspapers, asking if it's right that you break up because of the said reason.
Then, one of these newspapers accept to publish the letter and to comment it.

So, is your privacy violated or not?



It is not. Did I have her sign a contract  saying that she can't share it? I gave her information. Once she has the information she can disseminate it. You can say that maybe she isn't a good person for doing so, but she didn't do anything close to illegal.
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LOL gawd bless the bbc and all who email in her. LOL
 
It is common where I work for an email-exchange's circulation list to exponentially increase as more and more people are cc'd in subsequent iterations of the email in a process my colleague and I have tagged "covering their arses". Much to our amusement we have seen an initially innocent and innocuous email sent to one person escalate into a company-wide chain-mail of subtexts and unspoken grudges between two sites or departments, with us caught in the middle wondering what the hell we said that was so inflamatory... apparently (in one case) offering to buy someone a beer in return for a favour is taken as attempted bribery and cheapening the value of a fellow employee - a counter offer of two beers didn't go down well either.LOL
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 09:54
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I think this story is more about a shallow media than it is about privacy.
I think it's just a slow news day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 10:07
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I think this story is more about a shallow media than it is about privacy.
I think it's just a slow news day.
Or low expectations of readers' intelligence... Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 12:40
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

So let me see if I understand this. You write something. You send this thing to somebody else. They in turn send it to more people and you think your privacy has been violated?

lol


Let's say that you write a letter to your girlfriend, in which you explain why you leave her (you prefer her sister, her roommate, her mother, one of your male co-worker, she has bad breath, who cares?)
She decides to send this letter to some national newspapers, asking if it's right that you break up because of the said reason.
Then, one of these newspapers accept to publish the letter and to comment it.

So, is your privacy violated or not?



It is not. Did I have her sign a contract  saying that she can't share it? I gave her information. Once she has the information she can disseminate it. You can say that maybe she isn't a good person for doing so, but she didn't do anything close to illegal.


I'm not sure privacy is only a question of what's legal and what's illegal. I think it may have to do with... let's say good manners and social rules.
But I'm not sure it's useful to talk about social rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 12:41
I said it was in bad taste, but it has nothing to do with violating privacy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 12:49
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I said it was in bad taste, but it has nothing to do with violating privacy.

Yes it does. 

Because if you send an email, it is between you and the recipient. Two persons only or the cc or bcc recipient. 

If you go public with a message, you publish that message in a blog, twitter, public forum, letter to an editor or on your own website as an open letter to...

That to be strictly correct and in this day and age; nitpicking. In reality, that Forward button is a Get Even, Sulking Loser or Broadcast button. That is a sad thing because it should not be like that. But when the terrain is not like the map says, I rather re-adjust to the terrain than falling down a 1000 feet drop where there should had been a nice lake instead.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2011 at 12:53
I'm sorry, but no. You sort of relinquish your privacy when you tell someone something.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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