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    Posted: June 09 2011 at 05:13

I have during my 3-4 years in PA of reading reviews and reading comments on albums and how people rate albums after prog elements and what songs are allowed to be called a progressive rock song, (i am not talking about the hole album, more about how an album is put together, how particular songs ends up on the track list on an album and how bands do it in different ways).

 

My view on what makes a prog song sounds something like this,

1. It gotta have some technicality, but I’m not the one who thinks any song that issent a-tonal, dissonant or utilize it "is not prog" i don't think in those patterns, I like economical technical approach. that is what I really never bashes In Court of the... because I really love the economical intelligent and gentle use of virtuosity, not like Larks (who I also like) who is more forced on virtuosity, and some moments with Yes,. on In Court of the Crimson King, McDonald, Fripp, Lake, Giles they never kills the songs with technicality they let the song breath, to grow, they understand the importance of Dynamics and Climax, who if I ever would write a book about musical listening anf compositional approach would headline as the two most important elements, in a song or album production, I favor more than anything when I listen to music and prog, and it makes me think, and appreciate music more, is when musicians and bands understand those two concepts, utilize Dynamics (is the one thing I also practice mostly on bass, when it is not technique) and how you include Climaxes in songs to enhance the listener, to give the listener serious goose bumps, (is also one thing I try to think of when I play music is when those Climaxes comes I try to play as much out of my body as i possibly can, breath heavy and play more emotionally and more spontaneous). In the Court does that to me, it have a calm songs it have wild songs, and it have deep songs, and puzzling songs, it is varied, and that to me IS

 

2 . a progressive rock album to me have to be varied in approach, if it is only long suits I get bored easily and if it is only wild, massive, and full of things happening all the time, i get tired, therefore the Tangent sometimes makes me exhausting or Pallas (even if I really like both bands) they makes me feel like I have run 50 km, I almost feel angst, and seizures, Porcupine Three on the other hand are really good to let the songs breath so them I don't get tired of listening to, it is about how artists are constructing there albums, how they chose which songs they would  like to have on that album, some bands are good at it some are not so good. (amazingly enough many of the most successful songs or hits are many times the songs which were panickly put on the album or just were added for a filler, like Starless on Red and Africa on Toto IV.

 

3. to me a good prog album is (no matter if it is 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s or 10s, ) it need variation, it needs different musical approaches, utilize different technique, different sounding songs, styles, emotions, a technical song (21 century Schizoid man) a calm song (I Talk to the Wind) a deep song (Epitaph), a puzzling song (Moonchild), a majestic song (The Court of the Crimson King), but different bands solves this in different ways, like Genesis on Selling England by the pound, Adventures song (Selling England by the Pound), happy song/silly song ( I Know what I like (in your wardrobe), the majestic song (Firth to Fifth) the calm song (More Fool Me), the hectic song (the Battle of Epping Forrest ), a poetic song (after the Ordeal), the deep song/technical song (the Cinema Show)

 

if any of this made sence i get a to a new level if this is all bla bla bla, im stil on level 6, on post making...

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2011 at 07:31
if I ever owned a recording studio and if i were about to record a album with big enough song material to make a 40 min record, there is 3 or 4 album covers I would like to hang on the walls, as a reminder of not particurlarly to copy or inspire by the music  but as a reminder on how well balanced these albums are, in terms of the song and how they interplay with eachother to make the album feel like one peace, and you can listen to it in a span of 10 years and still feel amazed by how good song after song is on the album
 
 
 
this are albums that are wonderfully and thoughtfully put together
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2011 at 08:32
I did not really come upp with a good thread title, it literly sucks, but I don't know what is a suitable name, since it is so wide topic really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2011 at 15:57
Light and shade has always been important to me. I like a band that can be subtle and quiet on one hand but able to be heavy and pompous on the other. Doesn't have to be prog but prog is the genre that seems to have those qualities in abundance. Best example for me is Pictures At An Exhibition (ELP)- the transition from The Sage to The Old Castle and Blues Variation.There is no formula for a good album though and its best not to analyse it too much.Music can achieve an emotional response in many different ways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2011 at 16:11
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Light and shade has always been important to me. I like a band that can be subtle and quiet on one hand but able to be heavy and pompous on the other. Doesn't have to be prog but prog is the genre that seems to have those qualities in abundance. Best example for me is Pictures At An Exhibition (ELP)- the transition from The Sage to The Old Castle and Blues Variation.There is no formula for a good album though and its best not to analyse it too much.Music can achieve an emotional response in many different ways.
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yes Light and Shade is important, Yin and Yang, substance and air, bla bla and bla, yes I tend to think things into very complicated ideas but yes i use much energy when I listen to music, and I doo make myself some rules as I go along and listens, and ask my self why do I like this, what is it with this segment of the songs that makes my hair on the skin rise and get all goosebumpy,
 
also thanks for you contribution to my blah blah blah nonsense thread Big smileCool


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