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 Posted: June 08 2011 at 09:03 |
this is my list: - classic
ELP -The same
KC - In the court
GENESIS - Selling England by the pound
JEHTRO TULL - Thick as a brick
GENTLE GIANT - Octopus
CARAVAN - In the land of grey and pink
PFM - Storia di un minuto
YES - Yessongs
NATIONAL HEALTH - Of queues and cures
SPRING - The same
a little list after seventies
AFTER CRYING - Overground music
ANGLAGARD - Hybris
PORCUPINE TREE - In absentia
RIVERSIDE - Second life syndrome
BEARDFISH - Sleeping in traffic part 1
DREAM THEATER -Images and words
MARILLION - Misplaced childhood
Hi!!
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treebeard
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 10:13 |
Have to add my two 'penneth
1: King Crimson "In the court of the crimson king" - groundbreaking at the time, as everyone picks this need I say more?
2: Genesis: Foxtrot - broke the italian market and worldwide acceptance of prog was cemented. plus influenced a generation of scandinavian talent...
3: Yes: Fragile: Gave the world MR Rick Wakeman, he is to Prog what Lennon was to the Beatles.
4: Marillion: Script for a Jesters Tear: Helped reboot the genre in the 80's
5: Pink Floyd: Meddle: When the band were using the studio to such groundbreaking effect, again influenced so many...Dark Side was just the more successful follow on to this.
6:Porcupine tree: In Absentia: The merging of Prog and hard rock for a new audience and award winning recognition.
7: Jethro Tull: Aqualung: Denied as a prog album by Anderson and yet is a defining moment as it combined the folk element with prog rock which became a cornerstone of the sound.
8: ELP: Pictures at an Exhibition : Pompus and yet a defining album in the genre
9: Van Der Graff Generator: Pawn Hearts: Moved the goal posts so far that others in the genre were trying to keep up.
10: Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells: A single track on one side with no words that was not classical? Groundbreaking.
Also rans:
Focus: Moving Waves
Caravan: In the land of grey and pink
Yes: tales from Topographical Oceans
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 11:15 |
 Alitare wrote:
You're all missing the most essential works to prog:
The first song ever created The first song ever recorded The first song ever played with guitar Some bullsh*t classical music How's about a Beatles album? Pet Sounds The Nice's Emerlist Davjack? King Crimson's Court Thick as a Brick Some boring jazz fusion album.
And that's the birth of prog! |
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cstack3
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 11:28 |
I wonder how you ascertain "important" - is it influence on other prog musicians, increasing the visibility of prog by radio singles etc.?
I'd argue that Miles Davis "Bitches Brew" was a very important album, as it helped to usher in jazz/rock fusion. In terms of commercial importances, ITCOTCK, "Fragile", "Days of Future Passed" and ELP's "Trilogy" with its very popular "From The Beginning" single should be considered.
Using the "commercial importance" criteria, I suppose that Yes' "90125" and Genesis "Abacab" would need to be acknowledged! Other groups & albums that boosted prog's commercial standing included Asia's first effort, GTR, "Moving Waves" by Focus, and a few others such as "Seventh Soujourn" .
In terms of influencing the musical genre, "CTTE" and the first ELP album were huge. As much as I love TFTO, I'd have to say that it was a signal event for the "downfall of prog," at least according to the popular press.
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 11:41 |
I like Porcupine Tree's In Absentia far better than all the other albums in that list but two (ITCOTCK and SEBTP), but what the hell is it doing in a "most important albums in prog's history" list?  And even for DT haters, "Images and Words" should've been there far earlier than PT or even Anglagard or second albums by Yes or ELP... < ="utf-8">
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thehallway
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 14:42 |
Many have missed the point......... it's more something like this I think:
In roughly chronological order: 1) Sgt Pepper - In some way or another this album inspired the remaining 9 on the list, and influenced pretty much all prog since. 2) Shine On Brightly - Side-long epics are born 3) Tommy - Rock Operas are born 4) Court of the Crimson King - First album that can't really be described as anything other than prog rock/art rock/symphonic rock. 5) Any Moody Blues album - The general public become aware of the Mellotron (whereas Graham Bond and the others, although coming before the Moodies, wouldn't have influenced a lot). 6) Emerson, Lake, Palmer - Classical music first fused with rock (even if they stole it!). 7) Larks' Tongues in Aspic - Removing everything in the first 6 of this list in order to remain innnovative (and influencing, perhaps along with 'Red', every prog metal band since). 8) Dark Side of the Moon - The best-selling Prog album in the world 9) CTTE/Tales/Relayer - Representing the peak of Prog in terms of: quality, excess, and compositional competence (in that order of course). 10) Whichever album spawned the 90's/2000's resurgence - I'm not hot on this area! Obviously Neo-Prog isn't included because there's nothing new in it. Plus, I've ignored Jazz-rock and Electronica because they are something else as well as being prog (i.e. one is jazz and the other isn't rock). FREAK OUT should be there but we are restricted to 10, and it is maybe the least important of these.
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richardh
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:37 |
treebeard wrote:
Have to add my two 'penneth 1: King Crimson "In the court of the crimson king" - groundbreaking at the time, as everyone picks this need I say more? 2: Genesis: Foxtrot - broke the italian market and worldwide acceptance of prog was cemented. plus influenced a generation of scandinavian talent... 3: Yes: Fragile: Gave the world MR Rick Wakeman, he is to Prog what Lennon was to the Beatles. 4: Marillion: Script for a Jesters Tear: Helped reboot the genre in the 80's 5: Pink Floyd: Meddle: When the band were using the studio to such groundbreaking effect, again influenced so many...Dark Side was just the more successful follow on to this. 6:Porcupine tree: In Absentia: The merging of Prog and hard rock for a new audience and award winning recognition. 7: Jethro Tull: Aqualung: Denied as a prog album by Anderson and yet is a defining moment as it combined the folk element with prog rock which became a cornerstone of the sound. 8: ELP: Pictures at an Exhibition : Pompus and yet a defining album in the genre 9: Van Der Graff Generator: Pawn Hearts: Moved the goal posts so far that others in the genre were trying to keep up. 10: Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells: A single track on one side with no words that was not classical? Groundbreaking. Also rans:
Focus: Moving Waves Caravan: In the land of grey and pink Yes: tales from Topographical Oceans |
 good stab at it I reckon although I would quibble with the comment about Wakeman as clearly it was Robert Fripp that was to prog what Lennon was to the Beatles. Wakeman perhaps more Paul McCartney?  Also another very minor quibble - Genesis cracked the Italian market with Nursery Cryme first (made top ten)
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:40 |
thehallway wrote:
9) CTTE/Tales/Relayer - Representing the peak of Prog in terms of: quality, excess, and compositional competence (in that order of course). |
lol?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:47 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
These are the albums that took people by surprise, made people say "wow, what is this?" or added new life to the prog scene or maybe were groundbreaking in some way. All of these albums are essential to any prog collection. Here's my list:
1. The Moody Blues-Days of future passed
2. King Crimson- in the court of the crimson king
3. Emerson, Lake and Palmer-same
4. Yes-The Yes album-
5. Yes-Close to the Edge
6. ELP-Brain Salad Surgery
7. King Crimson-Lark's tongues in Aspic
8. Genesis-Selling England by the Pound
9. Anglagard-Hybris
10. Porcupine Tree-In Absentia
A few honorable mentions:
Camel-snowgoose
VDGG- Pawn Hearts
Rush-Hemispheres
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Not to criticize, but I'm wondering why you think Hybris was important to prog? The same with In Absentia.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:55 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Prog_Traveller wrote:
These are the albums that took people by surprise, made people say "wow, what is this?" or added new life to the prog scene or maybe were groundbreaking in some way. All of these albums are essential to any prog collection. Here's my list:
1. The Moody Blues-Days of future passed
2. King Crimson- in the court of the crimson king
3. Emerson, Lake and Palmer-same
4. Yes-The Yes album-
5. Yes-Close to the Edge
6. ELP-Brain Salad Surgery
7. King Crimson-Lark's tongues in Aspic
8. Genesis-Selling England by the Pound
9. Anglagard-Hybris
10. Porcupine Tree-In Absentia
A few honorable mentions:
Camel-snowgoose
VDGG- Pawn Hearts
Rush-Hemispheres
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Not to criticize, but I'm wondering why you think Hybris was important to prog? The same with In Absentia.
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Taste aside (I don't like Anglagaard whatsoever), I don't see why "Hybris" is important in prog's history. And In Absentia is not a prog album.
As an aside, I have no idea what people see in ELP's debut. It's a third prog, a third folk, and a third Emerson just playing piano or organ alone.
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Padraic
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:58 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:00 |
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Your formula sounds like a success to me Rob.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:36 |
Padraic wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Prog_Traveller wrote:
These are the albums that took people by surprise, made people say "wow, what is this?" or added new life to the prog scene or maybe were groundbreaking in some way. All of these albums are essential to any prog collection. Here's my list:
1. The Moody Blues-Days of future passed
2. King Crimson- in the court of the crimson king
3. Emerson, Lake and Palmer-same
4. Yes-The Yes album-
5. Yes-Close to the Edge
6. ELP-Brain Salad Surgery
7. King Crimson-Lark's tongues in Aspic
8. Genesis-Selling England by the Pound
9. Anglagard-Hybris
10. Porcupine Tree-In Absentia
A few honorable mentions:
Camel-snowgoose
VDGG- Pawn Hearts
Rush-Hemispheres
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Not to criticize, but I'm wondering why you think Hybris was important to prog? The same with In Absentia.
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Taste aside (I don't like Anglagaard whatsoever), I don't see why "Hybris" is important in prog's history. And In Absentia is not a prog album.
As an aside, I have no idea what people see in ELP's debut. It's a third prog, a third folk, and a third Emerson just playing piano or organ alone.
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What's wrong with folk and/or Emerson playing piano+organ?
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You're right- the way I worded that was lousy (and I have absolutely no shame in blaming my pissing and screaming kids for my inability to communicate this afternoon).
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:50 |
I'll correct your error, Rob - It's a half prog, half folk, all boring.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:52 |
Alitare wrote:
I'll correct your error, Rob - It's a half prog, half folk, all boring. |
That's what I meant but never said. 
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Alitare
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:55 |
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Moogtron III
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:57 |
The Nice – Ars Longa
Vita Brevis
King Crimson - In
The Court Of The Crimson King
Soft Machine -
Third
Tangerine Dream –
Alpha Centauri
Yes - Close To The
Edge
Pink Floyd – Wish
You Were Here
King Crimson –
Discipline
Marillion – Script
For A Jester’s Tear
Anglagard - Hybris
Dream Theater –
Images And Words
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 18:50 |
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I'm going to revise my initial list here so that there's only one album per band.
Moody Blues-days of future passed (not their best imo but an important album in the development of the genre)
King Crimson- In the court of the crimson king
Pink Floyd- Wish you were here
Yes-close to the edge
Rush-Hemispheres
ELP-same
Genesis-selling England by the pound
Jethro Tull- Thick as a brick
Marillion-misplaced childhood ( i had to have something from the 80's)
Anglagard-Hybris (maybe the album that unofficially kick started the prog resurgence of the nineties)
Edited by Prog_Traveller - June 08 2011 at 18:52
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Prog_Traveller
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Geez, we could all argue about this stuff until the cows come home. PT's in absentia not prog? Well, that's ok you could say that the FLower Kings and Spock's Beard and Arena or any neo prog isn't really prog because it's music that sounds like it's influenced by stuff from the golden era of prog and much of it is. But since PT are on here and listed as heavy prog then I think it's ok to have them listed. I personally sometimes have a hard time using the term prog for a lot of stuff that is often called prog(such as much of the catalog of the Moody Blues, lots of eighties and up songs and albums by established prog bands, much neo prog, etc etc). If I like it I like it and to me that's more important than the label.
Edited by Prog_Traveller - June 08 2011 at 19:01
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richardh
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Posted: June 09 2011 at 01:46 |
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ELP's debut is important because its the debut by the first progressive rock supergroup. However Tarkus made possibly an even greater impact and showed a new world of possibilities. Everyone of ELP's first 5 albums is important though and could justifiably be included on a list such as this.
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