The GOP Presidential Race = Reality TV Stars and $

I do love a good argument, and I the current ultra-Constitutionalist position does seem to be platform for, or attract, a general social-political ideal I do not like, ie Judge Napolitano or Glen Beck, but on the other hand I also very much like the Libertarian position of real freedom, as allowing both abortion and handgun rights

Atavachron wrote: No I'm not annoyed at you at all, I'm not even annoyed at your position, just trying to fully understand it which I believe is crucial to political progress

To be fair, a long time libertarian friend of mine always tried to tell me that it is the final form of political progress.

Like, you go through the stages of your country and eventually once the people can handle it...you're down to minimal government.

Nice and idealist, and in a way something I can't argue with... but it raises a few issues.


Edited by JJLehto - May 28 2011 at 20:28

Atavachron wrote: yeah I guess Nap is okay, assuming he supports a woman's right to choose, which I don't if he does or not--  I would hope he does, but I don't know

Atavachron wrote: in other words he supports current law but would oppose the practice it if he could legally

Well then, sir, I oppose him and that most significant social position utterly and completely, and if you take your principles of freedom to be literal, I would expect you would to.  Is that fair to say?

Atavachron wrote: Well then, sir, I oppose him and that most significant social position utterly and completely, and if you take your principles of freedom to be literal, I would expect you would to.  Is that fair to say?

Well the wealth is not new Caio. Certainly before the 80's!
You need to be wealthy to be involved.
As for celebs, yeah that is kind of new and horrifying, but in a way it has also always been about the show.

I saw this comedian who said in the US we pretty much elect on "star f**king" even back to the early days it was about shallow and opinion over truth! But that's probably the case with most countries, I'd be willing to bet.


Edited by JJLehto - May 28 2011 at 20:41

Equality 7-2521 wrote: CCVP wrote: I've always been allarmed how degraded the political scene in the US is since the 80's and how we are marching towards that disgrace here since the past 5 years or so. Not that things are perfect here, God no, but electing people just because they are famous or rich. . . . Yeah that hasn't happened here.

The governator would like to differ.

JJLehto wrote: Well the wealth is not new Caio. Certainly before the 80's! You need to be wealthy to be involved. As for celebs, yeah that is kind of new and horrifying, but in a way it has also always been about the show. I saw this comedian who said in the US we pretty much elect on "star f**king" even back to the early days it was about shallow and opinion over truth! But that's probably the case with most countries, I'd be willing to bet.

What I mean is that this political cicle that you and me are living have its origin in different periods. In the US that can be traced back to the 80's, maked by the lection of the actor Ronal Regan as the president of the nation.

Here, it has started in the first half of the decade, but it only took form in the 2004/2006 elections.

CCVP wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: CCVP wrote: I've always been allarmed how degraded the political scene in the US is since the 80's and how we are marching towards that disgrace here since the past 5 years or so. Not that things are perfect here, God no, but electing people just because they are famous or rich. . . . Yeah that hasn't happened here. The governator would like to differ.

Yeah...you mean the literal celebs that are running for office?
Not really an issue, I mean Reagan, the Governator, Ventura, Al Franken. Maybe a few others but out of the 535 people in Congress, the President, Governors, local figures...it's a small %

I thought you meant we elect people more on "likes" than beliefs and what they do, which most countries do I am sure


Edited by JJLehto - May 28 2011 at 20:52