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The whole thing boils down to attention seeking. Like the attention I am seeking now,  but only for the idea I am broadcasting in this post. In mr Camping's case, he is seeking attention to his own person. His own cult of personality. He is alledged 79 years old. But what he did was acting like a 79 weeks old baby (that's roughly 1.5 years old). You know; a kid sitting on it's backside on the floor, screaming out from the top of it's voice. We have all done that and we have all seen a kid like that. When a 79 weeks old baby seeks attention like that, that is perfectly natural. When a 79 years old pastor does it, it is pretty stupid and psychotic. Those grown up men attention seeking like small toddlers have a mental problem.

And that's what it all boils down to here: Attention seeking. That and cult of personality. Off course Mr. Camping did not believe a word of what he said. He was just seeking attention. Just like a small toddler. For Mr Camping and the likes of him; attention is like drugs. They must get it, whatever the cost.  

........ Which is pathetic (of him) beyond comprehension.   


thank you for your attention, btw. 



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I think he was 89 not 79 but idunno, stil a wacko, wierdo, fearmonger or something in that manner.
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but he does not beat Jonestown, but nothing really beats that
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Wait wait wait

Mike, are you saying you're critical of people who believe in God?
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The countdown has ended, the expectation goes on:
 
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, KJV
 
I just hope that people know their Bible better before the next madman pops up.
 
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As many of you know I am all too experienced with this type of negativity. The reason in the first place for Jesus freak housing in Vineland and Wildwood N.J. during the 70's and 80's had to do with a cry for help. Some Devil worshippers from the west coast posed and worshipped in a church behind locked doors late at night. These were the police reports derived from a wide investigation into the murder of a boy in my school who died in a Satan ritual. The sect was not convicted due to lack of physical evidence and instead 2 teenage boys were sent to Yardville prison. Satan worship was vast in my town during 1971 and for years after that. So for some reason unknown to me Jesus freak rentals were set up all over the community to convert many of the kids off the street as a means of cleaning things up. T his was an okay move within itself however it caused things to escalate even further. "Jesus Freak" was merely a street term then....just clearing that up for those who might be offended. You had to live through what I did to understand it.

This worldly prediction we speak of in this thread was on many kid's agenda's for years. The ones who WERE converted. The place was a mess. The most moronic teachings were applied as they waited for us to leave the school after dismissal. Ridiculous preachings like...."Long hair and Black Sabbath" meant you were going to hell. Many of the special ed kids in school were already brainwashed by Satan cults , but were now brainwashed and fanatical over apocalypse and what was in store for the world. Since the police had no physical evidence to convict the real source...this was the solution made by higher ups of our community. As a result...kids took their albums and burned them, thought demons were chasing them, and preached to all those not converted about the end times. You talk about David Icke? He is pretty extreme and I agree, but in the real world it is 50 percent true and 50 percent false due to the extremist sounding stories in the press. Supposedly in the Bible....Jesus states that he himself will not know when the end times occur, but these people walked around in groups preaching that they did. I have friends from my past and in their 50's who have mental issues to this day because they were converted by so called Christians when they were too young and brain dead to make decisions on their own. Instead of studying the Bible and attending church with a healthy attitude....they just went from one cult to another. Totally annoying and quite moronic if you ask me?   And the most ignorant act of all was the way they went about speaking free about the dreadful end times to little children. Shocking them to death for the end times. Rambling on and on so they could leave an impression on the child's mind! Very un-healthy for the community....I am certain.


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Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

As many of you know I am all too experienced with this type of negativity. The reason in the first place for Jesus freak housing in Vineland and Wildwood N.J. during the 70's and 80's had to do with a cry for help. Some Devil worshippers from the west coast posed and worshipped in a church behind locked doors late at night. These were the police reports derived from a wide investigation into the murder of a boy in my school who died in a Satan ritual. The sect was not convicted due to lack of physical evidence and instead 2 teenage boys were sent to Yardville prison. Satan worship was vast in my town during 1971 and for years after that. So for some reason unknown to me Jesus freak rentals were set up all over the community to convert many of the kids off the street as a means of cleaning things up. T his was an okay move within itself however it caused things to escalate even further. "Jesus Freak" was merely a street term then....just clearing that up for those who might be offended. You had to live through what I did to understand it.

This worldly prediction we speak of in this thread was on many kid's agenda's for years. The ones who WERE converted. The place was a mess. The most moronic teachings were applied as they waited for us to leave the school after dismissal. Ridiculous preachings like...."Long hair and Black Sabbath" meant you were going to hell. Many of the special ed kids in school were already brainwashed by Satan cults , but were now brainwashed and fantical over apocalypse and what was in store for the world. Since the police had no physical evidence to convict the real source...this was the solution made by higher ups of our community. As a result...kids took their albums and burned them, thought demons were chasing them, and preached to all those not converted about the end times. You talk about David Icke? He is pretty extreme and I agree, but in the real world it is 50 percent true and 50 percent false due to the extremist sounding stories in the press. Supposedly in the Bible....Jesus states that he himself will not know when the end times occur, but these people walked around in groups preaching that they did. I have friends from my past and in their 50's who have mental issues to this day because they were converted by so called Christians when they were too young and brain dead to make decisions on their own. Instead of studying the Bible and attending church with a healthy attitude....they just went from one cult to another. Totally annoying and quite moronic if you ask me?   And the most ignorant act of all was the way they went about speaking free about the dreadful end times to little children. Shocking them to death for the end times. Rambling on and on so they could leave an impression on the child's mind! Very un-healthy for the community....I am certain.
 
you should write a book about this Shocked, a doku or a thriller/horror/psych thriller, it is a great yet terrifying history, and then you can sell the story to a hollywood producer, and make it into a Criminal Minds episode. and you will be invited as a guest at the Daily Show
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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

As many of you know I am all too experienced with this type of negativity. The reason in the first place for Jesus freak housing in Vineland and Wildwood N.J. during the 70's and 80's had to do with a cry for help. Some Devil worshippers from the west coast posed and worshipped in a church behind locked doors late at night. These were the police reports derived from a wide investigation into the murder of a boy in my school who died in a Satan ritual. The sect was not convicted due to lack of physical evidence and instead 2 teenage boys were sent to Yardville prison. Satan worship was vast in my town during 1971 and for years after that. So for some reason unknown to me Jesus freak rentals were set up all over the community to convert many of the kids off the street as a means of cleaning things up. T his was an okay move within itself however it caused things to escalate even further. "Jesus Freak" was merely a street term then....just clearing that up for those who might be offended. You had to live through what I did to understand it.

This worldly prediction we speak of in this thread was on many kid's agenda's for years. The ones who WERE converted. The place was a mess. The most moronic teachings were applied as they waited for us to leave the school after dismissal. Ridiculous preachings like...."Long hair and Black Sabbath" meant you were going to hell. Many of the special ed kids in school were already brainwashed by Satan cults , but were now brainwashed and fantical over apocalypse and what was in store for the world. Since the police had no physical evidence to convict the real source...this was the solution made by higher ups of our community. As a result...kids took their albums and burned them, thought demons were chasing them, and preached to all those not converted about the end times. You talk about David Icke? He is pretty extreme and I agree, but in the real world it is 50 percent true and 50 percent false due to the extremist sounding stories in the press. Supposedly in the Bible....Jesus states that he himself will not know when the end times occur, but these people walked around in groups preaching that they did. I have friends from my past and in their 50's who have mental issues to this day because they were converted by so called Christians when they were too young and brain dead to make decisions on their own. Instead of studying the Bible and attending church with a healthy attitude....they just went from one cult to another. Totally annoying and quite moronic if you ask me?   And the most ignorant act of all was the way they went about speaking free about the dreadful end times to little children. Shocking them to death for the end times. Rambling on and on so they could leave an impression on the child's mind! Very un-healthy for the community....I am certain.
 
you should write a book about this Shocked, a doku or a thriller/horror/psych thriller, it is a great yet terrifying history, and then you can sell the story to a hollywood producer, and make it into a Criminal Minds episode. and you will be invited as a guest at the Daily Show
It's quite moronic within itself because many who read about the acts pulled of during the "Satanic Panic" era find it mostly to be farce or just good press. In otherwords....B.S. However....one shouldn't dismiss the pattern of history just because of hype. Satan cults hiding in plainsight.....which is duo worship. God in the day and Satan in the night has ruled as a practice for centuries. So if I went to Hollywood with the story....it would be considered just another fly on the wall. lol!
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Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

As many of you know I am all too experienced with this type of negativity. The reason in the first place for Jesus freak housing in Vineland and Wildwood N.J. during the 70's and 80's had to do with a cry for help. Some Devil worshippers from the west coast posed and worshipped in a church behind locked doors late at night. These were the police reports derived from a wide investigation into the murder of a boy in my school who died in a Satan ritual. The sect was not convicted due to lack of physical evidence and instead 2 teenage boys were sent to Yardville prison. Satan worship was vast in my town during 1971 and for years after that. So for some reason unknown to me Jesus freak rentals were set up all over the community to convert many of the kids off the street as a means of cleaning things up. T his was an okay move within itself however it caused things to escalate even further. "Jesus Freak" was merely a street term then....just clearing that up for those who might be offended. You had to live through what I did to understand it.

This worldly prediction we speak of in this thread was on many kid's agenda's for years. The ones who WERE converted. The place was a mess. The most moronic teachings were applied as they waited for us to leave the school after dismissal. Ridiculous preachings like...."Long hair and Black Sabbath" meant you were going to hell. Many of the special ed kids in school were already brainwashed by Satan cults , but were now brainwashed and fantical over apocalypse and what was in store for the world. Since the police had no physical evidence to convict the real source...this was the solution made by higher ups of our community. As a result...kids took their albums and burned them, thought demons were chasing them, and preached to all those not converted about the end times. You talk about David Icke? He is pretty extreme and I agree, but in the real world it is 50 percent true and 50 percent false due to the extremist sounding stories in the press. Supposedly in the Bible....Jesus states that he himself will not know when the end times occur, but these people walked around in groups preaching that they did. I have friends from my past and in their 50's who have mental issues to this day because they were converted by so called Christians when they were too young and brain dead to make decisions on their own. Instead of studying the Bible and attending church with a healthy attitude....they just went from one cult to another. Totally annoying and quite moronic if you ask me?   And the most ignorant act of all was the way they went about speaking free about the dreadful end times to little children. Shocking them to death for the end times. Rambling on and on so they could leave an impression on the child's mind! Very un-healthy for the community....I am certain.
 
you should write a book about this Shocked, a doku or a thriller/horror/psych thriller, it is a great yet terrifying history, and then you can sell the story to a hollywood producer, and make it into a Criminal Minds episode. and you will be invited as a guest at the Daily Show
It's quite moronic within itself because many who read about the acts pulled of during the "Satanic Panic" era find it mostly to be farce or just good press. In otherwords....B.S. However....one shouldn't dismiss the pattern of history just because of hype. Satan cults hiding in plainsight.....which is duo worship. God in the day and Satan in the night has ruled as a practice for centuries. So if I went to Hollywood with the story....it would be considered just another fly on the wall. lol!
i initially ment only a book, the film thing was only silly thoughts, but some stories is to important to not be put on a paper, and sometimes the best way to deal with such experiences is to write it down.
 
just my ideas from one who lived an uninteresting life
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wait wait wait

Mike, are you saying you're critical of people who believe in God?

I guess so. I'm as critical of believers in God as I am of believers in homeopathy, astrology and the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot or the Rapture. These beliefs all vary in the number and/or extent of assumptions that have no base in reality, but they all share the general principle of believing without evidence.

Of course I know that you may very well think that you have all the necessary evidence - mostly from your analysis of the Bible, if I'm not mistaken - but there are many scholars who have devoted much more time to studying the Bible and have concluded that it was not divinely inspired, and it's obviously clear that no historic evidence could ever prove miracle claims (and like it or not, but Christianity depends on those claims).
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wait wait wait

Mike, are you saying you're critical of people who believe in God?

I guess so. I'm as critical of believers in God as I am of believers in homeopathy, astrology and the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot or the Rapture. These beliefs all vary in the number and/or extent of assumptions that have no base in reality, but they all share the general principle of believing without evidence.

Of course I know that you may very well think that you have all the necessary evidence - mostly from your analysis of the Bible, if I'm not mistaken - but there are many scholars who have devoted much more time to studying the Bible and have concluded that it was not divinely inspired, and it's obviously clear that no historic evidence could ever prove miracle claims (and like it or not, but Christianity depends on those claims).


 
i don't really believe in such stuff, but I like to read it, like astrology, I have learnd that it aint reliable or real, but it is stil a great read to and nice concept, I really like all myths of seamonsers and giant humanoids lurking in forests, Chuppachabras, Mothman, things that create mysteries i like becouse it is strange and  ceeps my imagination up at state, I really like to have imagination (mine is quite vivid) evidence or not, sometimes one shal honour human abiliaty to think out of the box, how do you think tLotR would existed if not for the great human abilaty of imagination, Imagination is humand greatest skills, men would not have created fire or use the wheel haddent imagination bin a role in the prosess IMO (ofcourse)


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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wait wait wait

Mike, are you saying you're critical of people who believe in God?

I guess so. I'm as critical of believers in God as I am of believers in homeopathy, astrology and the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot or the Rapture. These beliefs all vary in the number and/or extent of assumptions that have no base in reality, but they all share the general principle of believing without evidence.

Of course I know that you may very well think that you have all the necessary evidence - mostly from your analysis of the Bible, if I'm not mistaken - but there are many scholars who have devoted much more time to studying the Bible and have concluded that it was not divinely inspired, and it's obviously clear that no historic evidence could ever prove miracle claims (and like it or not, but Christianity depends on those claims).




Jesus Christ speaks to a heart, it is no character flaw. The scholars who have decided the Bible is not the Word of God are thinking with their minds and have not opened up their hearts.
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I surely hope that one day you'll be able to apply reason and logic to your own position, too. There is no evidence of an afterlife, and not all religions can be true. As long as you call yourself a Catholic, from my perspective you're suffering from the same problem as your protestant friend and Harold Camping are - only you probably don't let it inform your actions as much as they do. But the underlying problem is that you believe without evidence.


In first place, the Protestant  guy (not a friend) I'm talking about, may have different theological views, but as far as I know he doesn't have a problem, he has a normal life, a family and won't give all his money to a lunatic that claims  the world is ending and needs his money to put billboards.

Please, don't place us in the same sack, we live our lives, without messing with anybody, religion is a part of our life but not all, we don't ask stranger for their money or even try to convince them of anything, whatever we believe in is our own problem, as long as we don't affect other people's lives or place in risk anybody.

We respect other persons beliefs or disbeliefs, so how do I affect you?

It's true I don't have scientific evidence, but that's a matter of faith and doesn't harm anybody.

Iván


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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wait wait wait

Mike, are you saying you're critical of people who believe in God?

I guess so. I'm as critical of believers in God as I am of believers in homeopathy, astrology and the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot or the Rapture. These beliefs all vary in the number and/or extent of assumptions that have no base in reality, but they all share the general principle of believing without evidence.

Of course I know that you may very well think that you have all the necessary evidence - mostly from your analysis of the Bible, if I'm not mistaken - but there are many scholars who have devoted much more time to studying the Bible and have concluded that it was not divinely inspired, and it's obviously clear that no historic evidence could ever prove miracle claims (and like it or not, but Christianity depends on those claims).




Well, I'm critical of people who don't get when I'm just picking on them.  Tongue
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:



Of course I know that you may very well think that you have all the necessary evidence - mostly from your analysis of the Bible, if I'm not mistaken - but there are many scholars who have devoted much more time to studying the Bible and have concluded that it was not divinely inspired, and it's obviously clear that no historic evidence could ever prove miracle claims (and like it or not, but Christianity depends on those claims).



Not to get into another discussion (I'm super busy and shouldn't even be posting at all), but the bold part of your post is an overstatement.  I can't recommend this book enough:

http://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Exodus-Scientists-Discovery-Extraordinary/dp/0060514043
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Why is this a debate about Christianity ? This is not a matter of Christianity whatsoever. This is purely a matter of a sad old looser in USA seeking attention and getting it. On the same day, orphans in Malaysia perished in a landslide, tens of people were killed in the drug war in Mexico and the free media is fighting a battle of utmost importance for the freedom of expression on another matter. But we human beings are giving this old looser the attention he craves. 

Sad, sad, sad !!!
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Of course I agree that it makes no sense to go through all the arguments again - especially in a thread with such a transient topic. I must comment though on the irony that you would recommend a book which deals with a myth of the old testament which was disproved even by Jewish archeologists. 

Historical documents can never prove a miracle claim - it's self-evident. Any other explanation is infinitely more likely than an actual miracle. Ehrman explains this using the empty tomb as an example. Consider the possibility that the tomb was robbed, or that some disciples removed the body from the tomb, or that the tomb was confused with another tomb, the body never got there etc.. Sounds unlikely? Compared to an actual miracle (the resurrection) it's much more likely.


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^And, of course, like in any good party, you have the drunken discussion which is going to turn into a fist-fight.
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Originally posted by toroddfugelsteg toroddfugelsteg wrote:

 But we human beings are giving this old looser the attention he craves. 
Sad, sad, sad !!!


You're right the old creep doesn't deserve attention.

This is the people who needs attention:



Robert Fitzpatrick WASTED all his life savings and pension savings in billboards (US$ 140,00.00) and has nothing, his desperation is obvious in the photo, he was looking at the watch and discovering rapture was not happening. 

Even more tragic, Ian McCreary




Who lost his brother (On his shoulders) when his own mother killed him apparently because of the hysteria caused by the prediction.

There are hundreds left without a dime, children with fanatic parents who will starve, they are all candidates for suicide.

Iván


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God did'nt create man, man created God. Tongue
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