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I don't enjoy any of these books because they never tell the truth, only peddle their own likes and dislikes.
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I would definately recomend "Prophepts & Sages - An illustrated guide to underground & progressive rock 1967-1975" by Mark Powell.
Its a good and inspiring guide to the underground and progressive rock music in the 60s and 70s. It wasn't that expencive at Play.com. £19.99 I think. But I will endeed cost me a lot more, now that I have to go out and by all that music!
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There's always an alternative agenda with these books and prog history in any case, even to this day. Look how an important band like1-2-3 was neatly written out of history by those who owed them the most. And that's only one instance of such blatant economy with the truth. To the victors go the spoils.
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This interview with Peter Banks speaks volumes!  http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes
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Originally posted by dEUSx dEUSx wrote:

I would definately recomend "Prophepts & Sages - An illustrated guide to underground & progressive rock 1967-1975" by Mark Powell.
Its a good and inspiring guide to the underground and progressive rock music in the 60s and 70s. It wasn't that expencive at Play.com. £19.99 I think. But I will endeed cost me a lot more, now that I have to go out and by all that music!
 
I'll second that, well worth a read.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

This interview with Peter Banks speaks volumes!  http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes
I thought I should tell you - that link opens the door to a virus that attacks PCs; I only just got rid of it by switching off at the mains then cleansing the system.
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Really important thread is this.By this i know many books.
Thanks for this thread
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Hello, I don't think anyone's mentioned:
The music's all that matters / Paul Stump http://www.amazon.co.uk/Musics-All-That-Matters-
I'm reading it at the mo.


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Originally posted by giselle giselle wrote:

I don't enjoy any of these books because they never tell the truth, only peddle their own likes and dislikes.


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Hi,

One book handling the beginning of Progressive rock is Paul Stump's "The Music's All That Matters".
The book is not very well written, but is a descent addition to the library. It begins from the 60's pop culture, and piece by piece describe how musicians interested in more complex music and arts begin to form grops that played the music now known as Progressive rock.

I gave it 2 stars out of five.

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Al in all, I think a better way to discover the beginning of Progressive rock, is to read biography of bands and musicians.

I can recommend:
Chris Welsh: "Close to The Edge: The Story Of Yes",
Martyn Hanson:" Hang On To A *Dream, The Story Of The Nice"
George forrester: "Emerson, Lake And Palmer, The Show That Never Ends"

By reading these (and similiar) books, you will get a good picture of the development phase of Progressive Rock.

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Originally posted by Altti_H Altti_H wrote:

Al in all, I think a better way to discover the beginning of Progressive rock, is to read biography of bands and musicians.

I can recommend:
Chris Welsh: "Close to The Edge: The Story Of Yes",
Martyn Hanson:" Hang On To A *Dream, The Story Of The Nice"
George forrester: "Emerson, Lake And Palmer, The Show That Never Ends"

By reading these (and similiar) books, you will get a good picture of the development phase of Progressive Rock.

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I don't think any of these books even mention 1-2-3, which immediately discredits them as serious studies. Chris Welsh is a personal friend of Yes, even in the pre-fame days, which says it all. The Nice/ELP have every reason to avoid the subject too. Check the more serious studies for the real truth.
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Originally posted by giselle giselle wrote:

I don't think any of these books even mention 1-2-3, which immediately discredits them as serious studies. Chris Welsh is a personal friend of Yes, even in the pre-fame days, which says it all. The Nice/ELP have every reason to avoid the subject too. Check the more serious studies for the real truth.


There is as many "truts" as there is story tellers. Everybody has his own opinions.
For me the beginning was The Nice, the top was ELP and everything after that is just afterglow...

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Originally posted by Altti_H Altti_H wrote:

Originally posted by giselle giselle wrote:

I don't think any of these books even mention 1-2-3, which immediately discredits them as serious studies. Chris Welsh is a personal friend of Yes, even in the pre-fame days, which says it all. The Nice/ELP have every reason to avoid the subject too. Check the more serious studies for the real truth.


There is as many "truts" as there is story tellers. Everybody has his own opinions.
For me the beginning was The Nice, the top was ELP and everything after that is just afterglow...

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I definitely think The Nice and Yes have early claims as forerunners, and though both bands sprang from 1-2-3, that band did not itself impact on the mainstream as the other two did, it was just too early (1966-67). King Crimson is generally looked on as the birth of the genre proper (and I agree), but for me, ELP and Yes remain two of the most crucial and important bands in defining the genre.
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One really fine book about the history (and birth) of progressive rock is Edward Macans "

Rocking the Classics: English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture"



I just bought this and it is quite entertaining..
Currently I am reading the same authors excellent book about ELP,:

Endless Enigma: A Musical Biography of Emerson, Lake and Palmer


The latter may be the best and most comprehensive analyze of the music I have ever read (on popular music side).

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i agree with the inclusion of this title - incredible detail on the classic prog albums and artists
 

Rocking the Classics: English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture"
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  Let me also remind you  that ProgArchives is also getting a considerable amount of interviews from this epoch. More interviews from this epoch is upcoming. Some with bands who has not spoken in public since the mid 1970s. See our interview index.   

Maybe we will publish these as a book in due time....... Wink



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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

  Let me also remind you  that ProgArchives is also getting a considerable amount of interviews from this epoch. More interviews from this epoch is upcoming. Some with bands who has not spoken in public since the mid 1970s. See our interview index.   

Maybe we will publish these as a book in due time....... Wink

Just to say you do a great job Torodd; loved your interview with Clouds, fascinating stuff. Was that the whole interview, or was it an edited version? So much more I'd like to know. Saw 1-2-3 at the Marquee etc, they were years ahead. Even I didn't realise what I was listening to at the time. It was the future.
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

i agree with the inclusion of this title - incredible detail on the classic prog albums and artists
 

Rocking the Classics: English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture"



Are you sure - but it is along time since I read this book? To me it a thesis on prog rock based on examining aspects of 5 classic progressive rock albums in detail, but elsewhere there is a superficial historical overview, lack of detail, and some inaccuracies. There is, however, an Interesting attempt  to indicate "typical" modern progressive rock bands(from the viewpoint of when Rocking The Classics was written), with Djam Karet about taking the honour. While brave, I have to say about as debatable and risky as Charles Shaar Murray's hypothesis in Crosstown Traffic, that if Hendrix was alive when that  book was publshed, he would sound rather like Sonny Sharrock......
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