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Logan
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 16:02 |
There is music that I think of high quality in Neo-Prog that has qualities that simply does not personally appeal.
There is music I have discovered that I like inlcuded in every category, including Neo-Prog (music that is not so Neo-Prog by artists included in Neo-Prog), but it seems to me that the qualities that seem to indicate that music is Neo-Prog are not qualities that appeal to my ears. It doesn't help that I'm not a so-called "melodic rock" fan, and that I'm not a big Symphonic Prog fan. When I discovered Neo-Prog, I was big on alot of classic Symph, but my tastes moved in other directions (still like Symph qualities in music). I tended to gravitate towards more eclectic and avant oriented music (favourite styles in PA include chamber rock/ music, acid folk and kinds of jazz-rock, Kosmische/ electronic/ Krautrock, Canterbury Scene.... I also love musique concrete, Tropica, jazz, experimental generally, psychadelic, folk, and classical music, as well as "world" music. I like a lot of pop, erspecially 60's French pop.
For me, my lack of enjoyment wasn't about Neo-Prog being derivative, but being of a style, or referencing styles that don't appeal. I think it would be very interesting to correlate the music we like with other arts (favourite films, literature, paintings etc.) and with non- so called Prog forms of music we like.
When I discovered this site I used the mp3 lists to discover a lot of music -- I would go through the lists and discovered s much new to music that was great, but Neo_prog did not seem to fit my tastes.
I don't think Neo-Prog is bad, and I don't think what I like is objectively good in large part, but the music does not speak to me -- I am not inclined towards it. It seems to largely be outside the kinds of music that I am accustomed to or would want to grow into. My ear is not trained to enjoy such music easily. Ever since I can remember, I've liked "quirky" music (and not because others I knew liked it, but becuase I related to it at some level - it communicated with me). If Neo-Prog resonates with some people, great. I don't think the majority here would like a lot of the music I love.
I know that I have expressed that I think Neo-Prog too unsophisticated before, but I can love simple music and don't consider prog that sophisticated to begin with (though some is quite complex).
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Garden of Dreams
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 18:26 |
I'm not a huge fan of neo-prog but I like Fish-era Marillion is great and IQ's Frequency is one of my favorite albums. From what I have heard so far, Pendragon is pretty good.
I understand why neo-prog is unappealing. Neo-prog has a stigma thats its commercialized symphonic prog. I stayed away from the genre for that reason but all bands should get a fair chance, regardless of genre or stigma. It usually takes me several listens to like an album so give it a shot.
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Logan
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 20:02 |
To some that will be why it is unappealing, but I had no particular preconceptions about Neo-Prog before trying Neo-Prog music. I'd never heard of Neo-Prog before checking out music. Actually, I guess I did have preconeceptions, just not based on what others said, but based on the classic prog I liked and knew already I had certain prog expectations and it sounded watered down to me with AORish (melodic rock) elements and arena rock type characteristics in some music.
I had big disappointments at the time when trying more modern symph included bands that I had read good things about as well: Spock's Beard (had heard it likened to Gentle Giant which I loved then) and Flower Kings I really disliked and bought albums of without hearing. Perhaps hearing a lot more negativity about Neo Prog after my dislike from hearing the music reinforced negative feelings I had for the category.
That said, I've listened to scarce few albums, and know that for me it is often best to listen to music that I am unaccustomed to using headphones without distraction to really experience it. I've said or felt fairly negative things about a few albums that I grew to love which I hadn't listened to properly (in the right conditions, which ideally should include not having the kids yelling at me). For some reason, for instance, I hadn't thought Offering good, but then I really listened to it and loved it. Can's Tago Mago I initially thought too amateurish-sounding, but with subsequent listens I grew to love it. Henry Cow's Western Culture took more than one spin to really click etc. For a category which encompasses the kind of music one is not used to, it can take a while for the brain's wiring to re-adjust before the person can get interested in it. Often there's good gateway music to help a person on that journey. When I was new to this forum I asked for Neo-Prog recommendations and got some excellent ones based on my then tastes. I was recommended Discipline's Unfolded Like Staircase (It was subsequently moved to Symph) as a good gateway, and it was a good recommendation. So was The Watch. An album I like where the artist is included in Neo Prog is Marc Ceccotti's Sometimes Around Saturn (I don't love it, but I do like it, but I don't think it's really Neo Prog itself even if it has some Neo Prog elements. I quite like Edhels, a Neo Prog band, which features Marc Ceccotti.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 21:21 |
Utter indifference.
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Garden of Dreams
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 21:25 |
Not being a fan of "melodic rock" certainly doesn't help not being a fan of the genre. I am the opposite and prefer "melodic rock" so I am mainly a fan of symphonic prog (especially The Flower Kings). If repeated listens don't make you a fan than you probably won't ever become one. I personally don't get King Crimson (except their debut) and Gentle Giant despite numerous listens. IQ's Frequency took me 5 or 6 listens before I loved it.
I am the same way with new music, I prefer a headphone listen so its more articulate.
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 23:04 |
Eloy82 wrote:
Noak wrote:
Marillion makes me want to puke. I've given the genre many chances, and it keeps failing on me. I don't doubt that there is some Neo-Prog album which I might enjoy, but so far I haven't found it. |
IQ - Subterranea
You're welcome.
Oh, and Arena's "visitor" album.
You're welcome again.
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You totally see the light Eloy82. Both amazing albums...
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Harry Hood
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 23:28 |
Eloy82 wrote:
Noak wrote:
Marillion makes me want to puke. I've given the genre many chances, and it keeps failing on me. I don't doubt that there is some Neo-Prog album which I might enjoy, but so far I haven't found it. |
IQ - Subterranea
You're welcome.
Oh, and Arena's "visitor" album.
You're welcome again.
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Quoted for awesomeness.
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verslibre
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 16:30 |
Eloy82 wrote:
Noak wrote:
Marillion makes me want to puke. I've given the genre many chances, and it keeps failing on me. I don't doubt that there is some Neo-Prog album which I might enjoy, but so far I haven't found it. |
IQ - Subterranea
You're welcome.
Oh, and Arena's "visitor" album.
You're welcome again.
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My faves are, respectively, Ever and Pride, though Visitor's right behind it.
Eloy82 wrote:
I don't understand what the big deal is about Marillion... they are OK but that's it. |
It's pretty much Fugazi and (their peak) Clutching At Straws for me. When Fish split, it wasn't good for either him or the band. At least not musically.
Eloy82 wrote:
I'll take any better known neo prog band over them any day. |
See my post re: Twelfth Night. I'd even suggest Pendragon's The Jewel ahead of Marillion.
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Eloy82
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 17:37 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
Marillion is awesome, and that's pretty much as far as the genre goes |
Incorrect.
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