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Points: 28830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2011 at 15:17
Keith Emerson also has a high regard for Jon Lord mainly because of his Hammond work (well what else you might askTongue) I also read (probably here!) that he had huge respect for Kerry Minnear.
Its also a fact that Emerson was a fan of Genesis in the very early days. He wrote back in 1971 that Genesis were to be the next big thing. You can find this in 'The Book Of Genesis'
Mike Rutherford was a huge fan of The Nice (The Knife was almost a homage to the track Rondo) as were members of Deep Purple (On Made In Japan they break into their version of Rondo at one point).
 
Carl Palmer was asked what drummers he liked (this was about 1980) and the only ones he mentioned were Keith Moon,Stewart Copeland and the guy in Blondie who he described as not technically the best but he loved the energy of his playing (although I think he was trying to be 'cool' by referencing new wave at that time)
 
Most prog musicians seem to respect the jazz greats. Buddy Rich is almost universally loved by all drummers.
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Points: 864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2011 at 15:35
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I read in the booklet of Van Der Graaf's The Box that Hugh Banton in the early days once said to Elton John: "You call that piano playing? That's crap" Big smile
 
You're correct in that the anecdote did get mentioned in the liner notes to The Box, but Hugh told me that not only did he never tell Elton that... he's never even met him. There was one other thing in The Box that HB said never happened, I think it was some story about him downing a whole bottle of vodka before a gig and having to be carried to his organ. Never happened. (You'd think that actual band members would have more control over the editing of a project like that, but it's not always the case)
 
Having co-written the book on VdGG, I can cover some of the VdGG-related takes on this. Prog people who were VdGG admirers that I actually interviewed, are
 
Arthur Brown,
Peter Gabriel (in a quote not given to me but to some magazine/newspaper, Gabriel said at one point in the 80's that he could base his whole career around Peter Hammill, such was his admiration for PH; to me personally he said that alhthough VdGG didn't always click every night, when they got it together on all cylinders it was pure magic),
Phil Collins ("I always respected their originality"),
Hugh Hopper (particularly impressed with Hugh Banton; he said Ratledge was also),
Gary Lucas (Beefheart's guitarist)
Chris Squire & Rick Wakeman (in separate personal emails, after the book was written; hopefully used in the next book!)
Robert Fripp (has talked about his admiration for Hammill several times)
Michel Langevin (Voivod drummer; his fave drummer of all time is Guy Evans)
 
I never interviewed him, but I have made contact with Steven Wilson. He's a major VdGG fan. Hopefully for the next book.
 
Geddy Lee has also gone on record in a few places stating that VdGG was a big influence on Rush in the 70's when they started to go in a more prog-like direction.
 
 
There are tons of others, prog and non-prog but you get the idea!
 
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Points: 66485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2011 at 15:39
When I met Matthew Parmenter from Discipline he was quite excited to talk about how much he liked Peter Hammill and VDGG, and also Magma.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2011 at 17:43
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

When I met Matthew Parmenter from Discipline he was quite excited to talk about how much he liked Peter Hammill and VDGG, and also Magma.
Phideaux recommended Discipline to me on this site. Big smile  I think in prog most artists respect one another.  There's no real heated rivalries going on.


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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 16983 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2011 at 19:45
Well, I can tell you one because I just read the quote. 

Jack Bruce of Cream thinks Zeppelin is a joke, particularly Page. 


Bruce: "Cream did proper gigs (on their reunion), not just one lame gig with the vocal keys lowered.  We played in the original keys.  f**k off Zeppelin, you're crap.  You've always been crap and the worst thing is that people believe what they're sold.  Cream is ten times the band Zeppelin is.  What?  You're gonna compare Clapton with that f**king Jimmy Page? Would you really compare that?"

Interviewer: To be fair, they're different kinds of players, aren't they?

Bruce: "No.  Eric's good and Jimmy's crap."


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Points: 841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2011 at 13:33
Speaking of Cream, I saw a very good documentary on them and Ginger Baker also comes across as a whiney old sod. He disses Jimi Hendrix and his rhythm section completely. LOL
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Points: 12775 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2011 at 21:33
One that comes to mind is Rick Wakeman commenting about Pink Floyd on their induction to the Hall of Fame: "The first words of the book of Genesis of rock are: and in the beginning, there was Pink Floyd". Or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording.
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Points: 12775 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2011 at 21:36
Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Alex Lifeson admires David Gilmour, he even thanks him on the sleeve of Snakes and Arrows for inspiring him.Gilmour in his turn admires Jeff Beck for being able to constantly renew himself.



And Jeff Beck was indeed a possible threat to Gilmour at some point... as far as I understand, Pink Floyd had considered Jeff Beck as a possible replacement for Barrett... and I believe in a later interview with Beck, he said he never actually knew about that, and that he may have accepted.
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Points: 536 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2011 at 11:50
Ethos are a lovely little obscure prog group hailing from Ft. Wayne, Indiana, who released two very unremarked-on albums in the mid-to-late 1970s. Apparently Peter Gabriel was a fan, since he can be seen wearing an Ethos t-shirt during Genesis gigs in 1975.

Other than that, I know that Captain Beefheart sort of thought The Beatles were crap.
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Points: 841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2011 at 17:01
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Alex Lifeson admires David Gilmour, he even thanks him on the sleeve of Snakes and Arrows for inspiring him.Gilmour in his turn admires Jeff Beck for being able to constantly renew himself.



And Jeff Beck was indeed a possible threat to Gilmour at some point... as far as I understand, Pink Floyd had considered Jeff Beck as a possible replacement for Barrett... and I believe in a later interview with Beck, he said he never actually knew about that, and that he may have accepted.


It's always a lot of fun to play the game of "what if..." Considering that Beck was the big star at the time, and a very complicated personality at that, I wonder if Pink Floyd would've survived and become the behemoth they did with him in the band.

Anyway, Beck has reciprocated Gilmour's admiration by stating that he's also a fan of David's playing. He even invited Gilmour to play as a special guest at his Albert Hall gig a year (or two) ago.
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Points: 12775 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2011 at 21:47
^ I definitley don't think I would have like Pink Floyd better with anyone but Gilmour. He's a huge part of why Pink Floyd is, perhaps, my favourite band. As a matter of fact, I don't think any change of personell on the classic line-up would have made their classic albums any better.
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Points: 1719 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2011 at 12:28
^Beck did guest on Waters' "Amused To Death", but as far as them getting along in the same band? Highly unlikely.
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Points: 6 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2011 at 01:44
How did you meet Mr. Tolonen, if you don't mind me asking? And yes definitely let us know. Those are some harsh words about Jimmy Page!
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