Thoughts on my taste?

dfle3 wrote: But thanks for all the good pointers in this thread for being pretentious...ahem...

TheGazzardian

I usually assume that anyone into Midnight Oil must be Australian because they're either unknown outside of here or regarded (wrongly) as a one hit wonder in the U.S...think they had a minor hit with the "Blue Sky Mining" song in the U.S...did hear something about the band shooting themselves in the foot, career wise, by taking a long break...either before their Blue Sky Mine album came out or afterwards. That album tends to be the last one which gets any radio play here in Australia. Like I said, "Power and the passion" is pretty flogged here...might be their most flogged...next two would be "Beds are burning" and "Blue sky mining"...but other tracks from other albums do get a run, which is good.

I've actually got more Oils album than I otherwise would have...I bought a 3cd box set of 10-1; Red Sails; & Place without a postcard. Two of those are classics. Also bought a 2 for 1 cd of Diesel and dust; & Blue Sky Mine. If there weren't those options, I just would have gone with 10-1 and Diesel and dust.

I also agree with you about the build up to Jimmy Sharman's boxers. Very atmospheric. As is the intro to Harrisburg, another fave of mine. I like their more rock songs too..."Read about it" seems a grunge song...before grunge landed. And "Best of both worlds" has a touch of Van Halen to it...but it might have been released around the same timeframe as Van Halen's 1984...you get an Eddie Van Halen vibe from "Best of both worlds".?

Had a listen to Lamb Lies Down On Broadway...found the first classic or near classic Genesis song in Carpet Crawlers...my idea of radio play potential.

Dean

Two things about your posts bug me:

1) You've been an apologist for people like Snow Dog...telling me that they're being funny. Is that you being funny? It just seemed an absurd claim to make, on your behalf.

2) You've been nitpicky...I'd rather be discussion music but you seem interested in trivia...like my rating system...if it REALLY bugs you that I can give an album 8.25 and another one 8 or 8.5, why aren't you in a pink fit over YOUR site's system? 20% increments in scores...would you like it to be LESS precise? Out of 4 stars? 3 stars? 2 stars satisfactorily vague for you? How about having a "0" or "1" scoring system here? Why niggle me over my scoring system...you just seem to be angling for a reaction from me.

re "Of course it's sarcastic, it was intended to be, you used Wikipedia as validation of your statement without showing what the Wiki tagging meant in relation to the band."

I'm not sure what Wiki tagging means in relation to the band...if you mean something apart from what I have already said.

re Pink Floyd making Space Rock albums...I'm not sure that they've made one...they have space rock songs, sure, but not an album's worth. Same goes for Psychedelic albums.

You mention Television not being prog...people in this thread have said it is...but I'm the one getting all the trolling...and I'm sure that for many or most of my RYM Prog list albums there woud be SOMEONE who had one of my picks in THEIR list of great prog albums...so, that's another thing that bugs me here...I'm the one copping the attitude, not the other people here who express a similar opinion to me. I don't consider Television to be punk but 'serious' critics do...I'm sure if I expressed that opinion on some punk board I'd get the kind of trolling that I'm getting here.

As for this thread being 8 pages long...like I said...a LOT of GUFF here...Snow Dog's worthless opinions being expressed...whatever way the wind blows, they express that opinion...just luuurve having a post being offensive to me then one being conciliatory...then being offensive again. I'd assume that they base their list of the greatest prog albums on whatever is 'hot' right now on the board...if it's Tuesday, "Foxtrot" must be a great album...come Wednesday it would be outside of their top 100...whatever way the wind blows.

I'm pretty sure that there must be forums with people just like yous on it...you know, people arguing that Ke$ha REALLY is better than Katy Perry...no doubt invoking the superiority of Proust to Brown to 'prove' their 'argument' too!

Edited by dfle3 - May 06 2011 at 04:16

"Other than that, what worthless opinions have I expressed? More worthless than yours are they?"

Your opinion of me. It blows in the breeze. A lot of the guff in this thread is by you...your constantly changing attitude to me in posts...I've tended to ignore you because you write guff.

It would be really cool to be able to delete posts in this thread...Snow Dog's irrelevant posts...Dean's thoughts on my album rating sytem...guff...there have been irrelevant posts in this thread...like You Tubes of songs I should check out, but that kind of stuff may interest people, so I don't have an in principle objection to it.

I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.

Dean wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.   When non prog albums appear in the PA top 100, it seems ironic that dfle3 is criticised for including non prog albums in his list (something of a double standard operating here).   Prog music is a very broad church but perhaps Prog Archives is less so. When new visitors to the site say "Hey - Kind of Blue isn't prog", 'we' agree with them and explain why it appears in the chart eventhough 'we' know it isn't Prog. Usually that explanation is sufficient.

It sure can get a bit boring explaining it again and again, though.  Maybe since we don't have a system to exclude such albums from the top-list, nor album tagging, a little disclaimer could be added under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS" headline.  On the other hand, if we didn't have such things to talk about over-an-over again, the forums would be a little less lively.

Dean wrote: Logan wrote: Dean wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.   When non prog albums appear in the PA top 100, it seems ironic that dfle3 is criticised for including non prog albums in his list (something of a double standard operating here).   Prog music is a very broad church but perhaps Prog Archives is less so. When new visitors to the site say "Hey - Kind of Blue isn't prog", 'we' agree with them and explain why it appears in the chart eventhough 'we' know it isn't Prog. Usually that explanation is sufficient. It sure can get a bit boring explaining it again and again, though.  Maybe since we don't have a system to exclude such albums from the top-list, nor album tagging, a little disclaimer could be added under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS" headline.  On the other hand, if we didn't have such things to talk about over-an-over again, the forums would be a little less lively. We could end up with a front page that is more disclaimer than content

We certainly could.

We do have already below the list on the front page "* Weighted Ratings (aka WR), used for ordering, is cached and re-calculated every 15 minutes" and a little more info about the list would be beneficial. 

M@X could include a hyperlink (say entitled, "How this list works") right under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS " text which links to a page where  details on how the list operates are explained.

Or better yet, I propose to have a link that says "How this list works" and it redirects to an empty white page with just one big message: 

Dean wrote: Logan wrote: Dean wrote: Logan wrote: Dean wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.   When non prog albums appear in the PA top 100, it seems ironic that dfle3 is criticised for including non prog albums in his list (something of a double standard operating here).   Prog music is a very broad church but perhaps Prog Archives is less so. When new visitors to the site say "Hey - Kind of Blue isn't prog", 'we' agree with them and explain why it appears in the chart eventhough 'we' know it isn't Prog. Usually that explanation is sufficient. It sure can get a bit boring explaining it again and again, though.  Maybe since we don't have a system to exclude such albums from the top-list, nor album tagging, a little disclaimer could be added under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS" headline.  On the other hand, if we didn't have such things to talk about over-an-over again, the forums would be a little less lively. We could end up with a front page that is more disclaimer than content We certainly could. We do have already below the list on the front page "* Weighted Ratings (aka WR), used for ordering, is cached and re-calculated every 15 minutes" and a little more info about the list would be beneficial.  M@X could include a hyperlink (say entitled, "How this list works") right under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS " text which links to a page where  details on how the list operates are explained. That link could point to the Top 100 page and the details could be there just under where M@X has explained how the weighting works.   Of course words are inversely proportional to reading - the more words you have the less people read them. Most people have an aversion to small print regardless of how informative it is so even with disclaimers we will still get those kinds of responses, just as we still get people complaining about Metallica or Ironing Maiden being here even though the text definition on the Prog Related section explains why these bands are not Prog.

Yes, but I still think it would be a worthwhile addition, and perhaps a few less people would complain and perhaps more people would be prepared to explain when the question comes up.  Even if hardly anybody reads such things, somehow I like the principle of including explanations in such ways.  And then when someone complains in a perturbed fashion, we can always say, "Didn't you even bother to take the time to read the explanation, which is (or at least the hyperlink is) plainly in sight?"

I think it's good to try to make things as clear as possible for visitors (including ones who never visit the forum) and make such info easily accessible/ easy to find.

Green Shield Stamp wrote: If the title Top Prog Albums, which heads the list,  needs to by accompanied by an explanation that non prog albums are also included, then maybe a more accurate title should be selected. eg. Top albums produced by prog artists (not very catchy, I know...but perhaps less misleading)

Good thinking, I think.

Logan wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: If the title Top Prog Albums, which heads the list,  needs to by accompanied by an explanation that non prog albums are also included, then maybe a more accurate title should be selected. eg. Top albums produced by prog artists (not very catchy, I know...but perhaps less misleading) Good thinking, I think.