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Snow Dog 
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Labour are one seat short of a majority in Wales. Could they ally with Lib/Dem?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 10:34 |
I've often thought Milliband is one seat short of a majority 
Edited by Jim Garten - May 06 2011 at 10:34
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lazland
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 11:20 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I would never vote for those Plaid fascists. |
I've been called many things in my life, but that's the first time I've ever been associated with fascists 
If I wasn't so tired at being up until 6.00 this morning, I might actually be severely offended. |
Don't be. I meant Welsh Language Fascists, Should have been clearer and I didn't know you were a party member. Sorry.
Bad election for you lot though. I won't laugh. |
Okay 
Yep - terrible night, and there is no disguising it. Time for a period of introspection and re-evaluation methinks (or what the media call a period of blood letting!).
Actually, I speak very little Welsh, and the party simply has to start reaching out more beyond its Welsh speaking heartlands and appeal to progressives who do not have Welsh as their first (or second) language and persuade them that there is a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 11:20 |
Ooof. It looks like the cheating ways of the No Voters have won the day.  I really do hope someone tries to sue them for false claims in their leaflets. I know Chris Huhne was hinting at it.
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lazland
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 11:24 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Labour are one seat short of a majority in Wales. Could they ally with Lib/Dem? |
If Kirsty had any sense, she'd say no. Interestingly, our experience last night was that the Lib Dem vote collapse in constituencies went virtually exclusively to the Tories, who had a fantastic night really. I think they've done fairly well in England as well.
Plaid also suffered from being junior coalition partners, no doubt at all.
I think Carwyn will go alone. 30 seats is enough to get most legislation through.
Anyhow, when I go out for a much needed recovery night tonight (  ), I'll raise a glass to the incredible and stupendous Alex Salmond. Might even apply for a transfer to Scotland and enjoy a true independent country soon!!
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lazland
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 11:27 |
James wrote:
Ooof. It looks like the cheating ways of the No Voters have won the day.
I really do hope someone tries to sue them for false claims in their leaflets. I know Chris Huhne was hinting at it.
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That no campaign was the most disgraceful I have ever seen. The spectacle of Cameron and, to their shame, senior Labour figures allying themselves with the fascist bully boys of BNP was disgraceful. It will now take another generation to get any form of PR in the UK.
My unions (PCS) NEC results have also just been published. Pathetic turnout of 10.8%, guaranteeing another year in office for the mad Trots.
Oooh - a bad couple of days. Think I will get well and truly drunk tonight
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 11:32 |
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Indeed. As a socialist and mostly Labour supporter (not so much New Labour, of course) I am really not happy at some of the No Voters within the Labour Party.
I'm not at all surprised by the Tories. They always do stuff like this. They keep blaming Labour for the global recession. It's getting sickening! I'm not saying the Labour Party were free of blame. It's just the Tories (and the Lib Dems) keep repeating the same hogwash all the time.
Edited by James - May 06 2011 at 11:33
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 12:22 |
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I would never vote for those Plaid fascists. |
I've been called many things in my life, but that's the first time I've ever been associated with fascists
If I wasn't so tired at being up until 6.00 this morning, I might actually be severely offended. |
Don't be. I meant Welsh Language Fascists, Should have been clearer and I didn't know you were a party member. Sorry.
Bad election for you lot though. I won't laugh. |
Okay
Yep - terrible night, and there is no disguising it. Time for a period of introspection and re-evaluation methinks (or what the media call a period of blood letting!).
Actually, I speak very little Welsh, and the party simply has to start reaching out more beyond its Welsh speaking heartlands and appeal to progressives who do not have Welsh as their first (or second) language and persuade them that there is a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories. |
I should have never made the comment, I am really sorry. I don't know what's happening to me recently getting all aggressive about stuff. It wasn't meant to be taken literally but even so....
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 12:40 |
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I must be hanging around with like-minded people because hardly anyone I know was voting No.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 13:34 |
I amazed at the predicted result, with no at about 70%
Sorry guys.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 13:51 |
Yep the No's have it! Basically I think it was lost from the start. Too many people couldn't see the benefits of Av and we were never offered a real choice ie PR where the case for or against would be more straight forward and would have captured the imagination of the general public. As it was I think many people weren't interested and those that were were frightened by the diingenuous claims of the No vote campaign. I guess Cameroon gave in to the vote on AV cos he knew it would be easy to argue against.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 13:57 |
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^The "No" voters can just see common sense.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:03 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^The "No" voters can just see common sense. |
The no voters are either:
Tories or Labour Voters who think the status quo is best for their party.
Can't be bothered to think about it.
Want PR and don't think AV delivers.
Or they have carefully weighed up the pros and cons and come up with the wrong decision 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:05 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^The "No" voters can just see common sense. |
The no voters are either:
Tories or Labour Voters who think the status quo is best for their party.
Can't be bothered to think about it.
Want PR and don't think AV delivers.
Or they have carefully weighed up the pros and cons and come up with the wrong decision |
I don't think I am in any of those groups.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:08 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Yep the No's have it! Basically I think it was lost from the start. Too many people couldn't see the benefits of Av and we were never offered a real choice ie PR where the case for or against would be more straight forward and would have captured the imagination of the general public. As it was I think many people weren't interested and those that were were frightened by the diingenuous claims of the No vote campaign. I guess Cameroon gave in to the vote on AV cos he knew it would be easy to argue against. |
I'm actually quite annoyed by the result. The behaviour of the Tories no doubt did have an effect. Notice in London that there were a 4 or 5 Yes votes. London use AV already for the Mayoral Elections, I gather.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:10 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^The "No" voters can just see common sense. |
The no voters are either:
Tories or Labour Voters who think the status quo is best for their party.
Can't be bothered to think about it.
Want PR and don't think AV delivers.
Or they have carefully weighed up the pros and cons and come up with the wrong decision |
Or gullible to the lies of the No Campaign. Or who don't want change because they think FPTP isn't broken.
Edited by James - May 06 2011 at 14:13
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:15 |
Snow Dog wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^The "No" voters can just see common sense. |
The no voters are either:
Tories or Labour Voters who think the status quo is best for their party.
Can't be bothered to think about it.
Want PR and don't think AV delivers.
Or they have carefully weighed up the pros and cons and come up with the wrong decision |
I don't think I am in any of those groups. |
Damn blast ...... 
Threw a coin in the air ...
Did it just to spite others?
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:17 |
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Help me I'm falling!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:20 |
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Islington, Haringey, Lambeth and Camden, all voted Yes for AV. Plus Cambridge and Glasgow Kelvin.
Edited by James - May 06 2011 at 14:29
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 06 2011 at 14:38 |
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I'm feeling a lot of hostility here so that's me out.
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