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Swinton MCR 
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 Topic: The Dichotomy of Prog Mainstream
Posted: November 16 2004 at 14:42 |
On one side - The Floyd fans.......
On t'other - The Genesis fans......
Do you all agree with this polarisation of mainstream prog politik ??
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arcer
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 14:51 |
Nah, love both in equal measure
more divisive - Floyd pre- and post Waters, Genesis pre- and post-Gabriel?
and the answer to both questions is better with than without...
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 14:57 |
Possibly - Genesis became the vehicle for the Cockney drummer to ruin for the sake of his pop-aspirations ! COLLINS IS THE ANTI-CHRIST !
As for Waters, never heard any post Waters floyd and therefor have no axe to grind !
See I'm in the Genesis hemisphere me.....
Edited by Swinton MCR
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Reed Lover
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 15:02 |
I've never thought that there was a line to be drawn dividing factions of prog-lovers. Genesis and Floyd, both great bands.I hate early Floyd (I'm a Meddle onwards fan) and detest post Wind&Wuthering Genesis.
As for the poison dwarf
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Wizard/TRueStar
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 15:08 |
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I think if you were fan of either, the one you are currently a fan of would spark interest in the other, therefore being a fan of both. Couldn't imagine Floyd and Genesis causing a division between prog lovers. Maybe eras, Such as late Pink Foyd is certainly better than late Genesis, I don't think you can argue that.
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arcer
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 15:09 |
we've been here with the poison dwarf before on another thread but while most of his frontman work with Genesis ain't in the same ballpark as Gabriel, ole Phil was a helluva drummer. Apocalypse 9/8 - i rest my case.
Just a shame he didn't stick to the tub thumping.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 15:11 |
To be honest - I haven't heard any pre-meddle Floyd - I like Echoes but detest all the other tracks on Meddle - I must confess to liking a few songs on ATTWT and a lot of Duke, I even liike ABACAB for some strange reason, but only as my taste broadened in the years since my 30th birthday - I listen to a lot of classical music - I love Ravel, Bach, Stravinski and Borodin, Beethoven, and Rachmaninov......
Listen to classics and you can see how Banks was infuenced by his Classical teaching at Charterhouse......
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Easy Livin
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 16:05 |
I would have thought most Genesis and Floyd fans would be on the same "side".
Perhaps the battlelines would more likely be:
- Neo-prog (Marillion/Arena/Spocks Beard etc.)
- "Traditional" early 70's prog (Yes/Genesis/Floyd etc.)
- Jazz prog (Soft Machine/John McLaughlin/Magma etc.)
I reckon most around here would go for two out of those three, meeting in the middle. Personally, I'd go for the top two and leave the third.
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asuma
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 16:09 |
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i would have to agree with easy livin, while i would think that the "sides" would be on more the style than the band.
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*Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.*
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 16:10 |
I'm more in the Genesis camp really, but like Floyd a lot.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Peter
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 16:17 |
"Real" prog vs "progressive metal." (Or as I say, regressive mental.) 
There's your battle line!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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James Lee
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 17:30 |
Anyone who has ever been in King Crimson versus everyone else in Prog...
...in a steel cage, winner-take-all death match!
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greenback
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 18:14 |
It is simple: floyd are for emotional people
genesis are for cerebral-emotional people
I choose GENESIS, because floyd satisfies only my feelings!
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Eddy
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 21:25 |
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hey i like neither floyd or genesus. i hate both of them. i dont think you can catorgize peoples music like that. i happen to enjoy ska, im guessing alot of you dont like it. catorgizeing people just doesnt work.
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Peter
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 22:06 |
I love ska, Genesis and Floyd!
Edited by Peter Rideout
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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threefates
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 22:12 |
I love Floyd... I'm ok with Genesis... and no need to mention that other band I love.
But... I'm actually divided in the Neo-prog section... I love Marillion, I like Arena, but I just don't like Spocks Beard. (Altho the Archives has Spocks Beard listed as Symphonic.. not Neo)
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Hangedman
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 22:45 |
 Eddy wrote:
hey i like neither floyd or genesus. i hate both of them. i dont think you can catorgize peoples music like that. i happen to enjoy ska, im guessing alot of you dont like it. catorgizeing people just doesnt work. |
Just out of curiosity why are you on a progrock forum then?
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gdub411
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Posted: November 16 2004 at 23:19 |
Eddy likes Yes, King Crimson and Gentle Giant....I believe that gives him a right to be here.
Personally I don't like Yes
are you going to take my prog rock membership card away because I may not share your point of view on what is a good band or bad band in the progressive rock genre?
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Eddy
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Posted: November 17 2004 at 00:08 |
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hehe its nice to know that some one is actually taking note on what people say in these forums.... now, i know i might be being a hypocrite but i think this is a better seperation elp, or yes. elp is more technico,ridgide and spacy while yes is more dreamy and curvy. and so on and so on. thats a better sepereation then pink floyd and genesus...pfft im bored.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 17 2004 at 03:32 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
 I love ska, Genesis and Floyd! |
Not to mention Jazz, classical music, grand opera, psy-trance, ambient-vibe, North African Rai, Pakistani Qalli, early heavy rock / metal......
BUT NOT PALLAS!
There's my battle line:
Music vs Pallas
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