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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:07

*sigh*

I knew some Clownne would say they didn't like Coke. I f*cking knew it. If you don't like Coke then in the bloody analogy you wouldn't have picked it as your first choice, just as if you only drink one kind of pissing soft drink then in the bloody analogy you would have selected some other commodity like Indian and Chinese food or Vans and Nike trainers or Charmin and Izal bog-roll. Analogies only work at the level they are defined and in the context they are used - disproving the pissing analogy does not disprove the point it's designed to illustrate and the only thing that makes it a bad analogy is allowing room for some joker to arse about with it. Try this one then - you're in a restaurant and you chose something off the menu, the waiter says - sorry chief, that's off - okay, you say, I'll have something else, but the waiter says - oh no sunshine, you only get one choice.
 
Once again: if you don't like Tory policy or don't like the conniving old-school-tie chinless wonder they've selected as your local candidate then you won't be voting for him would you, and you certainly won't be picking him as your first, second, third, forth or fifth choice so no matter what happens your vote will never, ever be counted as a Tory vote. However if you like the Labour policies, but think the Greens make sense and rather fancy the pretty Independent candidate then perhaps you may be able to put those in order of preference and just maybe won't be too upset if your second or third choice wins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:20
I actually agree with AV, so it's not an issue.

I think we usually only get about 5 or 6 candidates anyway.  One will be a Tory, so that rules him/her out for me.  The independent I usually have no idea about.  That pretty much leaves Labour, Lib Dems and Green Party and maybe one other (usually UKIP who I also won't be choosing).

So although I agree with AV, I wish there were more choices.  Maybe AV will bring in more choices.

So I may only be ranking 3 or 4 out of those 6.  I guess that might be normal behaviour though, as conversely, a Tory won't be voting Labour.  In fact, I can see Tories only voting for the one party, unless there's a Tory-minded Independent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:34
I so don't know what the hell this is about...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:36
Originally posted by James James wrote:


So I may only be ranking 3 or 4 out of those 6.  I guess that might be normal behaviour though, as conversely, a Tory won't be voting Labour.  In fact, I can see Tories only voting for the one party, unless there's a Tory-minded Independent.
A few Tories will be second choicing UKIP I shouldn't wonder.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:37
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I so don't know what the hell this is about...
Why doesn't that surprise me. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:40
Is this a referendum to vote on changing audio/video standards for the entire UK population to HDMI or something?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:44
It's about who heads up the AV club in Parliament.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:45

Yup. For 98% of the population that's exactly what it is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 20:47
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Yup. For 98% of the population that's exactly what it is.



Well, to be fair, there's a lot of Pippa Middleton news they need to be current on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2011 at 22:27
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:


So I may only be ranking 3 or 4 out of those 6.  I guess that might be normal behaviour though, as conversely, a Tory won't be voting Labour.  In fact, I can see Tories only voting for the one party, unless there's a Tory-minded Independent.
A few Tories will be second choicing UKIP I shouldn't wonder.


Yep.  Wasn't Farage an ex-Tory?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 04:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

*sigh*

I knew some Clownne would say they didn't like Coke. I f*cking knew it. If you don't like Coke then in the bloody analogy you wouldn't have picked it as your first choice, just as if you only drink one kind of pissing soft drink then in the bloody analogy you would have selected some other commodity like Indian and Chinese food or Vans and Nike trainers or Charmin and Izal bog-roll. Analogies only work at the level they are defined and in the context they are used - disproving the pissing analogy does not disprove the point it's designed to illustrate and the only thing that makes it a bad analogy is allowing room for some joker to arse about with it. Try this one then - you're in a restaurant and you chose something off the menu, the waiter says - sorry chief, that's off - okay, you say, I'll have something else, but the waiter says - oh no sunshine, you only get one choice.
 
Once again: if you don't like Tory policy or don't like the conniving old-school-tie chinless wonder they've selected as your local candidate then you won't be voting for him would you, and you certainly won't be picking him as your first, second, third, forth or fifth choice so no matter what happens your vote will never, ever be counted as a Tory vote. However if you like the Labour policies, but think the Greens make sense and rather fancy the pretty Independent candidate then perhaps you may be able to put those in order of preference and just maybe won't be too upset if your second or third choice wins.

Ok, Ok Ok!

If I change my vote to Yes will you be happy?

The Analogy is I went to buy Coke, they didn't have coke so I said "That makes me so angry" and I bought a bottle of vodka and got pissed instead. You will  all suffer my drunken rage due to my second option!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 04:29
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Why would the first be unavailable in an election?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 06:09
^ because they might get eliminated as lowest placed candidate
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 06:19
Originally posted by Kilgannon Kilgannon wrote:

^ because they might get eliminated as lowest placed candidate

So if my first choice was BNP but he didn't get first place...it goes to my second choice?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 06:42
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Kilgannon Kilgannon wrote:

^ because they might get eliminated as lowest placed candidate

So if my first choice was BNP but he didn't get first place...it goes to my second choice?




Your second choice....... let's say Senile Labour Party; Arthur Scargill's lot. If they get eliminated, it then goes down to a third preference you have noted down, let's say Labour Party. It goes like this until one candidate get's over 50 % of the votes. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 06:43
You could end up with no-ones first choice.Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 06:49

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

You could end up with no-ones first choice.Confused

That's a fair assessment. Today's situation though means you get MPs elected in with 20-40 % of the popular support. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 08:06
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

You could end up with no-ones first choice.Confused

That's a fair assessment. Today's situation though means you get MPs elected in with 20-40 % of the popular support. 

No that's not a fair assesment - it's an unbelieveably remote outside slim more chance of winning the lottery with Joanna Lumley as your mistress impossibility. The candidate who is no one's first choice will be eliminated in the first round. It really is that simple - zero 1st choice votes = zero votes and out you go - it doesn't matter how many people pick that candidate as their second choice - he's history.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 11:51
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Kilgannon Kilgannon wrote:

^ because they might get eliminated as lowest placed candidate

So if my first choice was BNP but he didn't get first place...it goes to my second choice?


If your first choice was BNP your vote wouldn't move to your second choice unless BNP got eliminated.

So, your votes go 1) BNP 2) UKIP 3) Conservatives

The votes are counted for round 1, and are as follows

Labour 25%
Lib Dems 18%
Conservatives 18%
BNP 17%
UKIP 15%
Green 7%

Green gets eliminated, their votes get redistributed to their second choices. YOUR VOTE is still BNP. The second round is counted:

Labour 32%
Lib Dems 18%
Conservatives 18%
BNP 17%
UKIP 15%

UKIP eliminated, votes distributed, yours still BNP, third round:

Conservatives 33%
Labour 32%
Lib Dems 18%
BNP 17%

BNP eliminated, votes redistributed including yours, your second choice is UKIP, but they've been eliminated so they look to your third choice, and allocated accordingly, fourth round:

Conservatives 50%
Labour 32%
Lib Dems 18%

Lib Dems go, votes redistributed, yours now with Tories, last round:

Conservatives 51%
Labour 49%

Tories win.

Edited by Kilgannon - May 03 2011 at 11:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2011 at 11:52
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

AV is a crap idea, it's not PR, but it's marginally better than what we've got at the moment. The No campaign is being less than honest and that's what's wrong with politics in this country. When they stoop this low you do have to wonder what it is they are affraid of exactly.


I'm voting Yes because I have little choice in the matter - voting No will be taken as a vindication of the First Past the Post system and I cannot allow that. First Past The Post means that whoever gets elected has the support of just over 1/3rd of the country, just under 1/3rd of the country votes for the opposition and about 1/3rd of country votes for people who have no say in how the country is run, and that's a really really crap system no matter how you look at it.


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