Nursery Cryme VS Godbluff

if I would use one song to describe the word sublime it would be Seven Stones on NC, what a song so powerfull RAARGH

bucka001 wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: bucka001 wrote: [   Ivan, I don't know how you read my previous post, but I was agreeing with you and saying that I can find no fault with your opinion, VdGG, so I get it)! Not totally Bucka: "But, Ivan, I thought it was equally ridiculous when you stated "The Musical Box guys!!!!!!!!"   Well, I see your point. To be honest, I think it is something akin to ridiculous (in a way that saying I don't like Fellni's films because I like decadance, humor, and grotesque imagery is ridiculous since it's all in there), but 'ridiculous' is probably too strong a word and more inflammatory than I intended.

Zargus wrote: Godbluff is a perfect album, and it deserves its high rating. Nursery cryme is not a perfect album genesis at that time hadent perfected thire songwritng skills, but its very good, but i yust feel its lacking in many things. personaly i feel it whuld have been more fair to compere Godbluff and SEBTP, and Nursery Cryme and the least we can do or H to he. Since they are more similar in production and sound and not yet perfect songwritng. Anyway my vote ofc goes to Godbluff one of my favorit prog albums.

zachfive wrote: Horizons wrote: I still can't get into Van der Graaf, sorry. Are you apologizing to the people who like VDGG? Because no apology is necessary, it does not effect me. If you are, however, saying that you are sorry for yourself because you can't get into VDGG well then I too am sorry for you... Your perception of what music is, and your appreciation of the music, changes when you listen to poets like Peter, or Roy Harper ... because for them it is not the music dictating the lyrics (a la top ten and rock'n'roll and most prog), but the other way around ... the instruments are there to augment the sentence or the wording. Best thing ever said on this site. Mr. Hammill is truly amazing, and for those who "can't get into" his or VDGG works are at a true loss, at least that is my opinion...

The problem many people have with VdGG is that Peter Hammill sings the lyrics as if he is living through them, with all the emotions that are in it, and since the emotions are extreme so is his singing, and he is being accompanied by the band in an appropriate matter for that, which often leads to disharmonious sounds. I love that kind of singing Hammill did not invent it, by the way; the Swedish born German actress Zarah Leander dd that too in the 30s and 40s of the last century.


Two decades later another great German actress and singer, Hildegard Knef, did the same:


The great Ella Fitzgerald, by the way, once mentioned that she wished she could sing like Hildegard Knef; she was a great admirer of her.

So you see Hammill is by far not the inventor of this kind of singing.





Edited by BaldFriede - April 04 2011 at 14:55

Genesis is by far a best band than VDGG for me, but Nursery Cryme is their weakest album from the Gabriel-era (even if it is damn good) and Godbluff is the best VDGG album with Pawn Hearts, so I'd say Godbluff. However, there isn't a single song in Godbluff that is close to The Musical Box. This is such a masterpiece and even SUpper's Ready isn't by far better than it.

Tough decision, two of my favorite albums in the whole prog catalogue,  but Godbluff has something so indescribable that amaze me, from the moment Undercover Man starts with it's "here at the glass" until Sleepwalkers fades... I even get sad when the record is over jajaja... 

Wow! So close!

Well vote, then we will have a tie.

Musical box is the most overrated prog song of all time. There were 100s of better songs back then