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infandous
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 12:02 |
Heard Genesis on the radio and MTV growing up in the 80's, and it seemed to embody everything I hated about pop music of that era (Gabriel's stuff I found more interesting, but still didn't make a big impression). Around '89 or '90, a friend told me that Gabriel used to sing for Genesis and Collins was the drummer and they made "good" music (as opposed to the 80's stuff we hated). I was skeptical, but came upon Genesis Live in a local CD shop and was intrigued enough by what he had told me, as well as the cover pictures, to give it a try (I also preferred my first listens of bands to be live performances, back then). From the first minutes of Watcher I was blown away. Always loved how the bass and guitar are so up front in that recording.
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himtroy
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 12:30 |
JakeMM626 wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Selling England by the Pound is the only album by them I've ever heard and that was about half a year ago at the insistence of people from this board. It did nothing for me, so that closes the book on that band for me. |
You would give up so easily? Try Nursery Cryme or Foxtrot or A Trick of The Tail. These are also favorites of many. |
I've heard songs from other albums and they just don't do it for me. Too much time sounding like pop music with progressive time in between...I despise catchy pop music.........Well that was a little much, but really the band just does not click for me at all. It's obviously subjective but I just sat there thinking "what do all these people see in this?" For example I'm no big Yes fan, but around the same time I decided to check out Close to the Edge, and it's undeniably something many prog fans would like (not my favorite either, but definitely good). With Genesis I just can't see it. And now that I've moved further away and towards more jazz based prog with more instrumental time, it's less likely than before that I'd like them.
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Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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himtroy
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 12:39 |
Gerinski wrote:
Junges wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Selling England by the Pound is the only album by them I've ever heard and that was about half a year ago at the insistence of people from this board. It did nothing for me, so that closes the book on that band for me. |
I listened to all their so acclaimed "classics" and they also did nothing for me. |
No offence, everybody is free to like whatever they like, but I wonder what kind of prog fans are you who do not like Genesis at all? which kind of prog do you like?
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I've been listening to prog for years and have around 50 days of music on my computer (thats without the filler crap I erased), I am successfully a prog fan without Genesis. In fact I'd say that much of what I listen to is, in my opinion, "more progressive" than Genesis (as if that really matters). Recently I've been frequenting Sammla Mammas Manna, Gong, Return to Forever, Les Claypool (side projects more than Primus), as well as my usual doses of National Health, , Quiet Sun, Soft Machine, King Crimson, Steve Hillage, Frank Zappa, Robert Fripp, and the likes. (this is only listing prog, not the jam bands and ambient music I often listen to). Honestly I just kept hearing Genesis and every section with vocals sounded like the same poppy Genesis I hate, then there would be instrumentation that I thought was quite nice, but not my favorite and it'd still go on to more music I cared not for.
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Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 12:45 |
So there you have it. genesis were always a pop band.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 12:53 |
First Genesis album I ever heard? Battlement by Neuschwanstein
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 20:21 |
A Trick Of The Tail. The title track was on a popular AOR station. Looked forward, therefore, to Wind And Wuthering, although it was a while before I listened to it all the way through because the lead single for that album was the forgettable "Your Own Special Way". Not special at all.
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himtroy
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 23:35 |
Snow Dog wrote:
So there you have it. genesis were always a pop band. |
Hey, I said that I understand that it's subjective..
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Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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King Manuel
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Posted: March 16 2011 at 00:52 |
Long before I knew about the existence of Prog Rock a school friend gave me Abacab tisten to. I wondered what all this fuss about Genesis was, since the LP did not apeal particularly to me. Years later I got my hands on Foxtrot after I read so much about this suposedly great track Suppers Ready. From that moment I understood all this fuss about Genesis.
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infandous
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 09:22 |
himtroy wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
So there you have it. genesis were always a pop band. |
Hey, I said that I understand that it's subjective.. |
Well, to be fair to this viewpoint, I can quite easily see how Genesis got to their 80's sound, by listening to the early 70's stuff. There is most certainly a Beatles influence there (and Gabriel had an interest in R&B, at least in the early days), so the "poppy" sound is most definitely there in there early albums. Quite possibly has a lot to do with their appeal, I would say, at least for me having been a huge Beatles fan in my youth (pre-teen years). Of course, to say there were "just" a pop band, is ridiculous. They were far far more than that (I wouldn't have liked them at all if that were the case, and I've never been able to tolerate the 80's and 90's material at all). Also, the pop elements they used were what I think most here would call "intelligent" pop, and not mass appeal type. So basically, I disagree with the notion that they were always a pop band, but can understand the idea that someone is turned off by "pop elements" in their early work.
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giselle
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Posted: March 19 2011 at 04:26 |
Nursery Cryme. Liked the tone of it and what it was trying to do. Still like early Genesis better than the later versions and consider them to be more art rock than prog.
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MoodyRush
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Posted: March 19 2011 at 21:15 |
I got a sampling of Genesis from a friend in high school. Then bought Selling England by the Pound and now also own Foxtrot. I think I prefer Foxtrot, but Genesis is only alright in my books. And I don't mind the poppy 80's Genesis I've heard on the radio!
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: March 19 2011 at 23:43 |
I think it was SEBTP, but maybe I heard one before without knowing it was a Genesis album (I'm pretty sure this happened).
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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b4usleep
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 14:12 |
Duke
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Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout.
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sondresae
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 10:11 |
Selling England by the Pound... Got hooked after the first couple of seconds.
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tarkus1980
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 10:30 |
Selling England by the Pound, early December 1999. Hated it first listen, loved it by the third, was an all-time favorite album by listen five.
Lamb followed on Christmas 1999, and I loved it first listen.
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Cristi
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 10:40 |
first things I've heard from Genesis were several songs from their 1983 self-titled album, late 80s, i was just a kid finishing middle school but I was very much impressed by Home by the Sea and Mama 
Unfortunately until 1995, all I managed to listen were different compilations, mostly of the trio years. My first full length was really Nursery Cryme in '95, blew me away back then. I was lucky to find some more Gabriel material after that.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 11:54 |
I am not sure which one I heard first; the first I can remember hearing is "The Lamb" just after it came out. I was five years old then. But since I always hung around my big brother who is ten years older than I am there may have been another first. I really liked the the first live album of Genesis, especially the quiet passage of "The Knife". Those guitar sounds in that passage gave me a chill.
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pool2000
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 12:01 |
my first genesis album that i heard was when i was about 11-12 my dad had abacab on in his big brown audi and me and my sister loved dodo/lurker he played every week when he picked us up, then when i got to his house he let me listen to duke.......that was it i was hooked having already been introduced to queen a year early that was the making of my rock/prog roots after that i went to genesis the album and home by the sea was my favourite track, then after that was peter gabriel live by this time my head was gonna explode i had that much music going around i didnt know weather i was coming or going. to this day peter gabriel live holds fantastic memories for me as a teenager at that time in the charts was bros and pet shop boys and i had genesis, queen and gabriel ringing in my ears oh happy days. anyway best genesis album cant decide duke,sebtp,foxtrot (not in any order)
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queen, genesis, pink floyd, spock's beard, transatlantic, pendragon, peter gabriel, supertramp, unitopia, the watch, the lens, IQ, camel, nektar, big big train, dream theater, galahad.
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Phideaux
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 14:24 |
My first Genesis album was lent to me by my guitar teacher who wanted to "school" me in good music. It was Genesis Live. Despite the lack of involved album graphics, I was transfixed by the weird story about the man who takes off his skin and also the songs were really good. I especially liked Musical Box and The Knife, but I also thought Get Em Out by Friday had some good bits.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 04 2011 at 14:29 |
Phideaux wrote:
My first Genesis album was lent to me by my guitar teacher who wanted to "school" me in good music. It was Genesis Live. Despite the lack of involved album graphics, I was transfixed by the weird story about the man who takes off his skin and also the songs were really good. I especially liked Musical Box and The Knife, but I also thought Get Em Out by Friday had some good bits.
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It's a woman, not a man who first sheds her clothes and then her flesh in the story on the cover of Genesis Live.
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