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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2004 at 11:38

"Dr. Mom" has a third eye! ROFL

I will say that Robitussin tasted better on the way back up than tequila does...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2004 at 12:13

Alcohol - very dangerous substance, I'd have to agree, but in sensible doses it's perfectly harmless, and I've never vomitted because of alcohol - ever!

It's only brainless morons who abuse alcohol and unfortunately because it's legal to imbibe (In christian/western countries) it's effects are anti-social, however - ganga is harmful - even in moderation.

Drugs - maybe they should all be legalised thus removing drug-addiction fuelled crimes.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2004 at 12:57
I have never thrown up either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2004 at 14:13
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

Alcohol - very dangerous substance, I'd have to agree, but in sensible doses it's perfectly harmless, and I've never vomitted because of alcohol - ever!

It's only brainless morons who abuse alcohol and unfortunately because it's legal to imbibe (In christian/western countries) it's effects are anti-social, however - ganga is harmful - even in moderation.

Drugs - maybe they should all be legalised thus removing drug-addiction fuelled crimes.....

The trouble with "controlled" drugs is that they aren't.

Think of all the tax dollars going to waste...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2004 at 16:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2004 at 18:47

Thanks for all your advice. I've decided this weekend, since my drug buddy Jeremy is out of town, that I will relax to a mix of Pink Floyd, Yes, and Peachtree Schnapps. DMT and LSA are drugs I've been anxious to try, but could never afford.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 03:12
Originally posted by Shatterwolf Shatterwolf wrote:

Thanks for all your advice. I've decided this weekend, since my drug buddy Jeremy is out of town, that I will relax to a mix of Pink Floyd, Yes, and Peachtree Schnapps. DMT and LSA are drugs I've been anxious to try, but could never afford.


you'd better try shrooms first
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 04:25

I feel too old to advocate the use of drugs, but drugs and music work perfectly together, prog or otherwise.

I will still take a good stoning while listerning to any Genesis album up to and including 'Duke' Also some Yes, parts of 'Topographic oceans..' are mindblowing when completly battered.

Pink Floyd are also a good Ganja band, as are VDGG and Focus IMO.

With regard to acid, I took far too much in my late teens and early 20's and it got messy for a while. I have steered clear for the last 13 years or so.

I'm not anti drugs and I generally concur with the 'lets legalise the lot' idea. Its a bit late in the day to be using the argument that these substances are harmful as a basis for prohibition. Most things we eat are harmful, alcohol and tobacco are harmful, breathing the air in any town and city is harmful. I would have more respect for a government that was honest that the reason, for prohibition to be in place is because they have yet to work out a watertight way to control and tax the sale of drugs.

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 05:45

To be totally honest, I can't say with perfect certainty that my drug use hasn't had negative effects...but anything you put in your body has good and bad consequences, from LSD to beer, from coffee to pasta. I do sometimes wonder how my life would be different if I hadn't done quite so much experimenting, but truthfully some of my happier memories involve drug experiences, friends, and music. So while I can't in good conscience recommend it, neither can I be a hypocrite and tell anyone not to try it.

Just try to be a little smart about it, at least. There's the old "boy who cried wolf" thing...some of the worst abusers got that way because they'd been lied to about drugs all their life, and then when they tried drugs and found that they liked them, they stopped listening to anything anyone said about it, even when it really was the truth.

And don't waste your money on that fuing Salvia...what a rip-off



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 06:05
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

To be totally honest, I can't say with perfect certainty that my drug use hasn't had negative effects...but anything you put in your body has good and bad consequences, from LSD to beer, from coffee to pasta. I do sometimes wonder how my life would be different if I hadn't done quite so much experimenting, but truthfully some of my happier memories involve drug experiences, friends, and music. So while I can't in good conscience recommend it, neither can I be a hypocrite and tell anyone not to try it.

Just try to be a little smart about it, at least. There's the old "boy who cried wolf" thing...some of the worst abusers got that way because they'd been lied to about drugs all their life, and then when they tried drugs and found that they liked them, they stopped listening to anything anyone said about it, even when it really was the truth.

And don't waste your money on that fuing Salvia...what a rip-off

Thats the thing about becoming older and wiser. You can't deny you've had great times trying things, but you're maturity is telling you that it would be wrong to 'reccomend' using these substances to anyone, especially anyone much younger, because despite the good times, you know intellectually, that where there's a high, there's a counterbalancing low somewhere in the mix.

I am certain acid has had both a good and bad effect on me long term. Ganja also has done my lungs, or my ability to concentrate no good at all.

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 07:32

If I needed drugs to listen to or enhance the music I'd be questioning if the music I was listening too was for me at all... That sound like music for people who hasn't grown up, or never managed to (wonder why?). Music is an artform that combines talent and vision with craftsmanship. Extremely few under the influence has managed to make anything but humorous works of art. Progressive is the avant-garde of popular music, and those who do it well over time, are those who have a dedicated and respectuful approach to the art they are creating and performing.

While there are obvious effects of drugs in controlled situations that alter various functions in the brain, there are far too many side effects to make any abuse worthwhile. Messing with the brains natural chemical balance is asking for trouble, and in fact your are simulating mental illnesses by adding substances to your brain. If psychiatry is too difficult for you to read, try reading the book by Andrew Salomon, which simply and effective sums up what we know about the "chemical brain", and how it reacts and changes with susbtance abuse or through mental illnesses. One of the major reasons for depression is abuse of food, alcohol and drugs.

What people do to their body is their own responsibility, but anyone who supports drugs supports crime and criminals, thus deserving the same fate as supporters of death and destruction in society... I though we had moved on from the careless 60s and 70s. Just look at all the talent that has been wasted... not to mention reduced to shadows of themselves...

You can't get a little bit pregnant... There is no controlled use of drugs unless it is made and distributed by professionals. Who knows what sh*t a street pusher sells you. I've had friends OD on stuff they thought where safe... RIP suckers!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 07:45
Originally posted by Svein-Frode Svein-Frode wrote:

If I needed drugs to listen to or enhance the music I'd be questioning if the music I was listening too was for me at all... That sound like music for people who hasn't grown up, or never managed to (wonder why?). Music is an artform that combines talent and vision with craftsmanship. And drugs.  Extremely few under the influence has managed to make anything but humorous works of art. Ever heard Hawkwind? The Beatles? The Rolling Stones? Miles Davis? Progressive is the avant-garde of popular music, and those who do it well over time, are those who have a dedicated and respectuful approach to the art they are creating and performing. And probably taken the odd drug or two - at least a nice cup of tea and a sit down

While there are obvious effects of drugs in controlled situations that alter various functions in the brain, there are far too many side effects to make any abuse worthwhile. Messing with the brains natural chemical balance is asking for trouble,

Just about anything you put into your body then... I would stop eating and drinking if I were you; all that oxygen and hydrogen in water goes to every single part of your body - especially your brain...

and in fact your are simulating mental illnesses by adding substances to your brain. If psychiatry is too difficult for you to read, try reading the book by Andrew Salomon, which simply and effective sums up what we know about the "chemical brain", and how it reacts and changes with susbtance abuse or through mental illnesses. Generally you have to be susceptible to mental illnesses in the first place, but serious abuse can do this, of course. One of the major reasons for depression is abuse of food, alcohol and drugs. So you want food and alcohol to be made illegal too??

What people do to their body is their own responsibility, but anyone who supports drugs supports crime and criminals, thus deserving the same fate as supporters of death and destruction in society...  *cough BULLsh*t* I though we had moved on from the careless 60s and 70s. Just look at all the talent that has been wasted... not to mention reduced to shadows of themselves...

You can't get a little bit pregnant... There is no controlled use of drugs unless it is made and distributed by professionals. You said it!!!  Drugs need to be controlled! The big problem is that they are NOT. THAT is what leads to the crime and criminals.

Who knows what sh*t a street pusher sells you. I've had friends OD on stuff they thought where safe... RIP suckers! Mind that bus...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 07:49

The only difference between tea and LSD is the number of biscuits consumed in a heavy session.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 08:02
At age of 15 to 20, I used all kind of drugs cannabis, exctasy, lsd, cocaine, amphetamine, gbh, mushrooms and so on.. I thought then that would have positive effect to my  guitar/bass playing. Well, in some way it did. But it was hard to get my ideas and thoughts together and make beatiful and intresting music.

Five years ago, I quit all. I don't even smoke cigarettes today. Sometimes I drink glass of red wine. I think I enjoy music much more nowdays. My mind is sharp and I enjoy listen all kind of music, even psychedelic music sounds better today.

IMHO, drugs are for people who are too LAZY to do something that gives you plesure and satisfaction. Don't underestimate the power of your own imagination.

These are just my thoughts, I don't mean to preach anybody.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 08:06

Originally posted by Eljakim Eljakim wrote:

At age of 15 to 20, I used all kind of drugs cannabis, exctasy, lsd, cocaine, amphetamine, gbh, mushrooms and so on.. I thought then that would have positive effect to my  guitar/bass playing. Well, in some way it did. But it was hard to get my ideas and thoughts together and make beatiful and intresting music.

Five years ago, I quit all. I don't even smoke cigarettes today. Sometimes I drink glass of red wine. I think I enjoy music much more nowdays. My mind is sharp and I enjoy listen all kind of music, even psychedelic music sounds better today.

IMHO, drugs are for people who are too LAZY to do something that gives you plesure and satisfaction. Don't underestimate the power of your own imagination.

These are just my thoughts, I don't mean to preach anybody.

More power to you Eljakim

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 08:22

Originally posted by Eljakim Eljakim wrote:

At age of 15 to 20, I used all kind of drugs cannabis, exctasy, lsd, cocaine, amphetamine, gbh, mushrooms and so on.. I thought then that would have positive effect to my  guitar/bass playing. Well, in some way it did. But it was hard to get my ideas and thoughts together and make beatiful and intresting music.

Five years ago, I quit all. I don't even smoke cigarettes today. Sometimes I drink glass of red wine. I think I enjoy music much more nowdays. My mind is sharp and I enjoy listen all kind of music, even psychedelic music sounds better today.

IMHO, drugs are for people who are too LAZY to do something that gives you plesure and satisfaction. Don't underestimate the power of your own imagination.

These are just my thoughts, I don't mean to preach anybody.

Very wise words. There is ultimately no real need to intoxicate oneself for any reason. We've all had some wild times, I guess, and I have a few regrets with regard to what I have put into myself over the years, but not so many regrets that I look back and think 'sh*t, that was a wasted life' These days I love having a clear head and being able to organise my life a lot better than I could when I was young and 'experimenting' as we romantically choose to call it.

With regard to creativity, just think of how much better bands like Hawkwind could have been if they hadn't been so f****d all the time. Singer Bob Calvert banned the group from taking of drugs whilst recording. Low and behold their playing improved immediately apart from Simon Kings who hated Calvert and probably ignored the 'order' to abstain.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 08:55
Thanks, guys

I also like to think that those years wasn't just waste of time. I learn so much about myself, and I still learn.
But all that money wasted on drugs...phew!

I could have collection of guitars that even Eric Clapton would be jealous
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