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rematpac 
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 Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:54 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
^Karn Evil it always was. I maintain that until absolutely proven otherwise.
And the fail comment was about your "side long" album track selections. |
If truth is not your thing than that's your business,but I think it unfair to call my 10 selections a 'fail',because there was 10 more that I wanted to put up as well but couldn't or didn't.But out of the 10 I did put up,which ones would you call musical failures??
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:47 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks
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 Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) |
Fail!
And it was never called Karn Eval 9. |
I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough. |
When you see the words Karn Evil,does that make you think of the word 'carnival"?It doesn't me.But when you see how they originally spelled it "Karn Eval",it makes you wonder why they misspelled the word "evil".I finally figured out the reason after it had been right in my face all these decades.Actually I didn't figure it out by myself,one of your members told me yesterday that what Sinfield had meant was" Carnival 9".We can pretty much guess that the number 9 came from "Revolution 9" from The Beatle's White Album,and as for the words K-A-R-N-E-V-A-L,that came from the word C-A-R-N-I-V-A-L,and that's exactly what the lyrics in the 1st movement talk all about,"Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends...",a carnival in the distant future when people have become so decadent that the show is comprised of some very carnally evil spectacles.Just listen to the lyrics.I had both the record and cassette and the work was spelled "Karn Eval 9" on both and yes I could not figure out why they mispelled evil until I was informed the words came from"carnival".It has since officially been changed to "Karn Evil 9",I realize,but when it was 1st out it was DEFINITELY spelled "Karn Eval 9" and if you think about it ,it was a very logical thing to do.But probably like me,not many people understood the double message(which should have been obvious),so they changed it for good.If you don't believe me,put the question up for ALL your ELP fan's,I am plenty confident that someone else will remember or figure it out themselves.Or better yet,you can ask Greg Lake yourself by sending him a message to his youtube site.
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Dean
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:20 |
Some of these suggestion are mighty tenouous as "side-long tracks" IMO - a side long track should be exactly what it says - a continous single piece of music occupying one side of an vinyl album.
Many suggested here are just segued shorter tracks. Based on some of these Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds and From Genesis To Revelation would also qualify as there are no gaps between the tracks on those either.
However, my suggestion - Blint's Tune from Godley & Creme's Consequences.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:55 |
omri wrote:
There not many I know left to add. all I can think of is Focus - Hamburger concerto that was not listed here yet.
However, Supper's ready do not contain a whole vinyl side (Horisons was also on that side) and I think it's the same with "All the seats were occupied but if we remind these 2 we should also add Murglys III of VDGG.
It's great to see that Popol vuh's E&S and ELP's concerto were mentioned. These tracks do not get the respect they deserve IMO most of the time. |
I doubt the qualification of Emerson's concerto as a "side-long album track"...but I'll let it go.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:55 |
^  give it up Ian, it's like herding cats.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:54 |
rematpac wrote:
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^By George I think he's got it! |
I guess I haven't got it yet Snow Dog.I sent you a message about the original spelling of Karn Eval 9 and it looks like you didn't get it.I'm just too computer stupid. |
I read it and replied to it. But you didn't "send me a message". You posted it in a a forum. This forum. this thread. We can all read it.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:47 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^By George I think he's got it! |
I guess I haven't got it yet Snow Dog.I sent you a message about the original spelling of Karn Eval 9 and it looks like you didn't get it.I'm just too computer stupid.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:46 |
There not many I know left to add. all I can think of is Focus - Hamburger concerto that was not listed here yet.
However, Supper's ready do not contain a whole vinyl side (Horisons was also on that side) and I think it's the same with "All the seats were occupied but if we remind these 2 we should also add Murglys III of VDGG.
It's great to see that Popol vuh's E&S and ELP's concerto were mentioned. These tracks do not get the respect they deserve IMO most of the time.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:45 |
rematpac wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) |
Fail!
And it was never called Karn Eval 9. |
No sorry but you fail.I still have the original poster in my garage in an old box that I've saved things all my life in and it contains the original poster from the album when I bought it in 1974 with the lyrics included on it for the work Karn EVAL 9.Greg Lake has a youtube sight himself called the Official Greg Lake Site.You can send him a message and ask him yourself.Even though he's 63,I'm sure he'll remember,just like I do.You can also use reverse logic to figure it out for yourself.I just found out yesterday from one of your members that the name came from the word "Carnival".So how could I possibly come up with the spelling "Karneval" without this prior knowledge?I couldn't.Think about it.CARNIVAL ,CARN-IVAL ,KARN-IVAL ,KARN-EVAL.. They later switched it to KARN-EVIL,which is a fact.Your member and I believe the spelling was changed to be less confusing to the buyer.That is the most logical reason if it was purposefully changed.Another possibilitiy of course is that the record company accidently changed the spelling while Sinfield may have never wanted it changed giving the buyer more credit to be able to figure it out.The fact is though,I never even figured it out myself having even known what the original spelling was until now.The lyrics in the 1st movement talk as if you're being toured through a carnival in the distant future.The thing is carnivals have became very evil in the future,very carnally evil, Karnally Evil,Karn Eval(Carnival).Think of the lyrics and you'll figure it out. |
I don't have it anymore, but I recall the BSS liner notes stating that the working title was Carnival and Lake changed it to Karn Evil so it was more rock and roll. Your poster that you totally have in your garage does not count as evidence, sorry.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:42 |
^Karn Evil it always was. I maintain that until absolutely proven otherwise.
And the fail comment was about your "side long" album track selections.
Edited by Snow Dog - March 30 2011 at 05:44
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rematpac
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:39 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) |
Fail!
And it was never called Karn Eval 9. |
No sorry but you fail.I still have the original poster in my garage in an old box that I've saved things all my life in and it contains the original poster from the album when I bought it in 1974 with the lyrics included on it for the work Karn EVAL 9.Greg Lake has a youtube sight himself called the Official Greg Lake Site.You can send him a message and ask him yourself.Even though he's 63,I'm sure he'll remember,just like I do.You can also use reverse logic to figure it out for yourself.I just found out yesterday from one of your members that the name came from the word "Carnival".So how could I possibly come up with the spelling "Karneval" without this prior knowledge?I couldn't.Think about it.CARNIVAL ,CARN-IVAL ,KARN-IVAL ,KARN-EVAL.. They later switched it to KARN-EVIL,which is a fact.Your member and I believe the spelling was changed to be less confusing to the buyer.That is the most logical reason if it was purposefully changed.Another possibilitiy of course is that the record company accidently changed the spelling while Sinfield may have never wanted it changed giving the buyer more credit to be able to figure it out.The fact is though,I never even figured it out myself having even known what the original spelling was until now.The lyrics in the 1st movement talk as if you're being toured through a carnival in the distant future.The thing is carnivals have became very evil in the future,very carnally evil, Karnally Evil,Karn Eval(Carnival).Think of the lyrics and you'll figure it out.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) |
Fail!
And it was never called Karn Eval 9. |
I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:33 |
Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) |
Fail!
And it was never called Karn Eval 9.
Edited by Snow Dog - March 30 2011 at 04:34
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:26 |
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rematpac
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 03:57 |
richardh wrote:
rematpac wrote:
richardh wrote:
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9(used to spell it Eval,does anyone know why they changed the spelling of that word?),Close To The Edge,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Tarkus,Five Bridges,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed,Ashes are Burning(live),Topographic Oceans( and many more) |
Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival. |
Thanks for your reply,that's info I did not know,but my real question was-why did they spell it Karn EVAL 9 with an A in the word eviL when it 1st came out and then over time change it to the traditional way to spell EVIL with an I in it..My info on this is 100% accurate,I'll never forget my favorite album when I bought it ,also buying the cassette of it also. |
I think my original reply probably contains the answer. They wanted to emphasis the connection to the word Carnival but then probably decided (or the record company perhaps decided) that it was a bit confusing.I am guessing a bit though. I've been on ELP message boards for some years and don't remember this ever being discussed tbh. |
That has to be the answer I would think.Even though you don't know absolutely,it makes so much sense that I think the probability is so high as to be very satisfied with your answer.Thank You.
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 01:39 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Ricochet part 2
Ricochet Part1
Supper's Ready isn't long enough |
I assumed that Suppers Ready took up a whole side at 22 minutes?
One on my list that shouldn't be there is Aphrodites Child 'All The Seats Were Occupied' because there was another song called 'Break' on the same side. But someone earlier posted it on their list so I just went along with it!
Edited by richardh - March 30 2011 at 01:41
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 01:36 |
rematpac wrote:
richardh wrote:
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9(used to spell it Eval,does anyone know why they changed the spelling of that word?),Close To The Edge,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Tarkus,Five Bridges,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed,Ashes are Burning(live),Topographic Oceans( and many more) |
Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival. |
Thanks for your reply,that's info I did not know,but my real question was-why did they spell it Karn EVAL 9 with an A in the word eviL when it 1st came out and then over time change it to the traditional way to spell EVIL with an I in it..My info on this is 100% accurate,I'll never forget my favorite album when I bought it ,also buying the cassette of it also. |
I think my original reply probably contains the answer. They wanted to emphasis the connection to the word Carnival but then probably decided (or the record company perhaps decided) that it was a bit confusing.I am guessing a bit though. I've been on ELP message boards for some years and don't remember this ever being discussed tbh.
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 20:33 |
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 20:06 |
richardh wrote:
rematpac wrote:
Karn Evil 9(used to spell it Eval,does anyone know why they changed the spelling of that word?),Close To The Edge,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Tarkus,Five Bridges,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed,Ashes are Burning(live),Topographic Oceans( and many more) |
Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival. |
Thanks for your reply,that's info I did not know,but my real question was-why did they spell it Karn EVAL 9 with an A in the word eviL when it 1st came out and then over time change it to the traditional way to spell EVIL with an I in it..My info on this is 100% accurate,I'll never forget my favorite album when I bought it ,also buying the cassette of it also.
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 15:44 |
So many great ones that I have already listed... Vinyl 1-side epics rule!!!
Couple others I like....
Rush - Fountain of Lamneth
Yes - TfTO- Side 1, Side 2, Side 3 and Side 4.
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