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Poll Question: Can any other group top the Gabriel era Genesis?
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Some days I answer yes somedays I answer categorically NO and some days I haven't even thought about them LOL

Greatest composers? They did write some fantastic music and Supper's Ready is one of the seminal masterpieces of Prog. But greatest? 

Greatest Musicians? No, a group of talented innovators who came up with some great arrangements

Greatest Identity? I could say Yes to this one, Peter Gabriel in his costumes are one of the classic images of the Prog Rock era
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Originally posted by Olias Bro Olias Bro wrote:

I would put Yes up against those very excellent Genesis albums. Starting with The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Tales, Going for the One and then a fine addition with Tormato.
 
I would put the Yes Album up against Trespass (prediction: Yes wins)
Fragile against Nursery Chryme (prediction: this will be the tie breaker)
Close to the Edge against Foxtrot (Yes takes this one too)
Selling England by the Pound is a tough one so I'll use Going for the One and Tormato against that (but Genesis will probably still take this one)
and Tales from Topographic Oceans against Lamb Lies Down simply because they're both doubles (and Genesis will take the vote here too, leaving Fragile vs. Nursery to determine the outcome of this argument)
 
Breaking this 2-2 tie would be very difficult.
 
 
 
I wouldn't assume anything, however put your theory to the test! Place the polls! 1 at a time I suggest.
 
I'd take Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, You might get me to vote "Going-Tormato" combo (in fact I'm certain I would ((Awaken)) but that'd be like bullying wouldn't it? 2 on 1.. And Lamb.
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Yes, sure, if they achieved only the albums from "Trespass" to "Trick" 
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IMO Yes, KC & JT are the top.
Genesis, GG, Camel, VDGG on a level below.
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Best after Yes.
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Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

IMO Yes, KC & JT are the top.
Genesis, GG, Camel, VDGG on a level below.

WOW!!! I have felt the same for a long time, Yes, KC and JT, in no particular order frankly, have always been my top bands. I know a lot of people will disagree, so it's nice to know somebody else feels the same.
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Points: 190 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2011 at 18:55
JT JT JT :D

i could see many bands chosen as "best" prog band without much problem.
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Floyd is my favorite band. And I also like Jethro a bit more than Genesis. But they're just below them with Kayak and ELP maybe (considering just prog bands).
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Would anyone agree that Genesis was the best prog act to weather the 1980's?  Consider Abacab and Invisible Touch against 90125 and Big Generator, or The Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason, or Moving Pictures and Power Windows.

My vote goes to Rush!

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Originally posted by catfood03 catfood03 wrote:

Would anyone agree that Genesis was the best prog act to weather the 1980's?  Consider Abacab and Invisible Touch against 90125 and Big Generator, or The Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason, or Moving Pictures and Power Windows.

My vote goes to Rush!
 
I quickly turn the radio dial when anything from Abacab or Invisible Touch comes on. Likewise, I don't really care for 90125 or Big Generator. And while I detest The Final Cut (except for "Not Now John"), I would be shocked and amazed if I heard the album on the radio and would listen (I have the record from its original release but never bought it in CD form), and I don't mind A Momentary Lapse of Reason.
 
I was never a big Rush fan to begin with, and I liked them less after 2112. To be honest, I like Rush's first few rock albums over anything proggie they did later.
 
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A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the best 80s release from any of the old prog bands. In my humble opinion of course.

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Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the best 80s release from any of the old prog bands. In my humble opinion of course.
It was the second, after Camel's Stationary Traveller 
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I think the best 80's release from a prog band was "Moving Picures".  But if we consider any decade after the 70's, the best one IMO is "The Division Bell" by FAR. It's brillant.
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First option.
 
I agree with theqietone about PF, KC and Yes.
I agree with Varon and Zargus about VDGG.
I agree with Logan about Can, Magma and ADII (can't agree about Art zoyd cause still didn't get them, poor me !).
 
I think the poll stated 6 albums but mentioned only 5 albums.
 
Since nobody dares to claim Genesis' debut worth anything I think the fair comparison will be with Yes or VDGG that also vave a weak debut (though I find Aerosol quite good actualy). In this case I think Genesis wins over Yes with a very small gap but looses to VDGG.
If I compare them to KC there is no contest at all.
 
By the way I think even The moody blues had a great string of 7 albums although I do prefer Genesis over them.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the best 80s release from any of the old prog bands. In my humble opinion of course.
It was the second, after Camel's Stationary Traveller 
Stationary Traveller is awful to me.
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Genesis had an extraordinary gift for melody...possibly the best of any rock band. 



I mean...just no words, you know? It's arranged perfectly. I don't really have a favorite band, but they are easily one of my most revered. And to the RIO-heads who think they're "so beyond it," why don't you be more predictable? LOL
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

While Genesis had some good songs, and Collins & Hackett have proven themselves as musicians, their overall approach was much too simplistic, compared to many of their peers (Crimson, ELP, Yes, Gentle Giant, etc...).
 
I understand that their accessability has made them a favorite for many people here, and I have no problem with that. 
 
Best prog band ever?  Not even in the top 10.

Only in the sense that 'complexity' means 'cramming as much sh*t into 10 seconds as possible' at least for ELP/Yes. KC and GG I would agree were truly more complex. But either way, Genesis' music is evocative in a way that KC and GG are not, with some exceptions - all of these bands are great in their own way, but Genesis has them beat as far as melody and scope. Four of their band members were important melodic components to the music that contributed in their own unique way without overlapping - how many bands can say that? 

Put another way - GG can write with intricate counterpoint and diverse arrangement, but can they sustain a melodic development over the course of 12 minutes in such a sublime fashion as the Cinema Show? No, they could not - just as it was beyond Genesis' ability to write On Reflection, so was it beyond GG's ability to write that incredible song. Complexity is not one dimensional. 
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Points: 14122 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2011 at 01:50
I don't know why, but I really can't stand with Genesis, except for The Lamb
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I guess you had to grow up with it^. My 1st introduction was listening to the lamb twice through while reading the lyrics. Then I bought A Trick of the Tail.
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