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Posted: March 27 2011 at 18:40

Has Ledgard been sacked, or is he coming back, Andy?

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 18:41

hehe but hey...if Senna got to take out Prost (and pretty much admit doing so) Schumi had to figure why not?
He DID get away with it once, the second time was just greedy LOL

No doubt he's good, but eh...as you said can't see him producing much now and is deff outpaced by the other big name drivers (and Petrov).

You never addressed Alonso. What have you against Spanish blood eh???? Angry

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 18:45

Alonso is a cheat and boring to watch. Wink

Button may end up like Damon Hill or Jacques Villenueve and joining Team Lotus or HRT next season. LOL

Even Johnny Herbert, who never won a championship, was better than Villeneuve!

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 18:47

At least JPM has had success in NASCAR!

Villeneuve not only made the shame jump from F1 to NASCAR but couldn't even qualify for a race!
Now that is sad...

Now Damon was a beast. From what I gather, looks he had just had a late start. So didn't have much time to start with, and yeah decided to be "noble" and go to a lower team LOL

If he had a full career I think he would've been damn good.

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 18:57

I do like Damon, he's a nice guy and most definitely not a cheating type.

I remember that crash Villeneuve had in F1 which was due to terrible driving. Completely unforced too! He basically just drove into the Armco.

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:04

hate to break it to you but cheating happens.
Even if its minor, (after all if you're gunna take a big stance against it you can't tolerate any)

Hamilton was caught lying to the Stewards a year or 2 I remember.
Which gave him an advantage in terms of finishing position over Jarno Truli.
Uh oh...hami is a cheat.

Also you always blamed the whole Piquet thing on Alonso, which I never got. Like it's the first time it's happened....and Flavio is the man to blame. Confused

James you silly.
Though I did feel bad for Piquet

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:06

Ah but I like Schumi and he's the biggest cheat around. But he doesn't care and doesn't really deny it.

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:09

What I did like about Schumi was his dedication and intensity.

I know he was worked alot and took great control of everything. Opposed to my favorite driver Kimi....who drank a lot, napped a lot, and pretty much put in no effort outside of the race.
Also even though Schumi won everything he always so excited. The fist pump, the jump on stage, waving his finger with the Italian anthem. Always liked seeing how much he enjoyed racing.

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:13

Yep and he still seems to enjoy it, despite being in a terrible car last year and not finishing this race (and still potentially being in a terrible car).

Vettel seems like a nice chap but his driving style isn't really that exciting for me... Plus I don't like Redbull. Much like I don't like Williams.

It must be something about being Finnish... Mika Hakkinen was dull too. LOL

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:17

Ah yeah, Kimi's interviews were painful and he always looked like he was forcing the joy out....
Heard the same about Mika.

Though the few times I saw Lehto he seemed decently excitable actually.
I definitely remember him joking and smiling, which I think would cause Kimi to explode if he tried LOL

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:36

James wrote:

Has Ledgard been sacked, or is he coming back, Andy?

Nah, his contract came to an end and the BBC didnt renew it, something to do with him being massively unpopular with just about everybody, particularly Martin Brundle.

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:37

sleeper wrote:

James wrote:

Has Ledgard been sacked, or is he coming back, Andy?

Nah, his contract came to an end and the BBC didnt renew it, something to do with him being massively unpopular with just about everybody, particularly Martin Brundle.

Well that seems like a good reason.
Alex was talking about that guy in Romania they all hated...

There are some bad broadcasters out there! I like the ones we have a good bit.

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Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:42

sleeper wrote:

James wrote:

Has Ledgard been sacked, or is he coming back, Andy?

Nah, his contract came to an end and the BBC didnt renew it, something to do with him being massively unpopular with just about everybody, particularly Martin Brundle.

They need that Scottish lass to present more. Mmm.

And yes, my mate hates Ledgard. LOL

So he'll be happy as well. Although Murray Walker made lots of gaffs, everyone seemed to love him. Odd.

But what about Jake Humphrey? He started out as a Children's Television presenter and now probably earns a very nice wage for his F1 stuff.

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Posted: March 28 2011 at 01:03

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harmonium.ro wrote:

Thanks Andy. From what I read, I thought the KERS were creating energy by opening the rotor against the wind at a certain speed; it's not correct? Also, what's with the movable wings? I heard about them during the race but couldn't figure what are they.

No, KERS takes braking energy from the rear brakes and converts it to electrical energy stored in batteries. It then injects 60 Watts of power (about 80bhp) into the drivetrain for a total of 6.7 seconds per lap (governed by the rules, its capable of developing a lot more power and/or giving it out for a lot longer over a lap). Interestingly, the version Williams originally developed in 2009, and now sell to Porsche, used a flywheel to store the energy instead of batteries but it was never raced by them, though the Porsche 997 GT3-RSR Hybrid has proved very quick with it, and I think the current unit is a battery one like the other teams.

Look at a pic of an F1 rear wing, you'll see it has two seperat planes at the top (ignore the beam wing at the bottom), like so: http://www.eurotuner.com/news/eurp_0906_toyota_f1_parts/photo_01.html

The moveable wing is basically an actuator that opens a 50mm gap between the two planes (on TV it looks like the top plane goes almost horizontal, depending on the car), reducing drag and offering up to a 12km/h increase to top speed. In races it can only be used when the following car is within 1 second of the car in front and on a designated part of the track that is 867m long (I have no idea how they came up with such an arbitrary number after they decided 600m was too short a length). In Melbournes case it was the pit straight, though most felt the run from turn 2 to turn 3 would have been better as you can follow more closely through T2. It cannot be used in defense. In all other sessions its free to use whenever and however the driver likes, though Sutils spin in qualy showed why its a bad idea to use it too early when coming out of a corner. The idea is too improve overtaking by giving the car behind a big speed boost, but I hate the idea as its too contrived and with more strings attached than a marionette.

Thanks a lot Andy, that was extemely informative!

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Posted: March 28 2011 at 07:20

^I try my best, just dont ask me to explain the blown floor concept, even I'd get stuck with the details there! LOL

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Posted: March 29 2011 at 08:35

Wow, I'm really looking forward to this:

when looking at this trailer, I remembered something I read during the Schumi years: the speeds achieved in F1 have never risen again to the levels from the Senna / Prost years, because of more and more regulations. It was claimed that they were the fastest ever. That makes watching them (especially now, when we know what was about to happen) even more intense (and slightly disturbing).

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Posted: March 29 2011 at 17:28

depends on what you mean by fast...

the highest speed ever recorded by a F1 race in a straight was 363 km/h, -Alesi I think- in Monza 2001

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Posted: March 29 2011 at 17:29

^ I think it was about the medium per race.

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Posted: March 29 2011 at 17:43

harmonium.ro wrote:

Wow, I'm really looking forward to this:when looking at this trailer, I remembered something I read during the Schumi years: the speeds achieved in F1 have never risen again to the levels from the Senna / Prost years, because of more and more regulations. It was claimed that they were the fastest ever. That makes watching them (especially now, when we know what was about to happen) even more intense (and slightly disturbing).

In terms of streight line speed, the fastest F1 cars would probably be the turbo charged monsters of the 80's. I know the 83 BMW engine in the Brabham had something like 1350hp in qualy trim, and the 87 Honda engine had about 1200. The thing is, they had to turn the boost down for reliability an fuel consumption reasons as there was no refueling before 94 and the cars carried 220 litres of fuel (todays cars do it with 150) which would have slowed their race pace. The fastest ever F1 car over a lap woul be the 2005 McLaren MP4-25.

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Posted: March 29 2011 at 21:57

I do find it pretty great that every years there are various measures to slow cars down, but they never do and usually get faster. In qualifying for Aussie they we running near the top speeds measure there before.

Those F1 engineers are damn good