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    Posted: March 27 2011 at 18:41
thanks for you help. i look at the line 6 tomorrow 
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Originally posted by king prog king prog wrote:

i was thinking of geting a marshall vale amp but im not sure. any salutations or advice would be great. 


Not that.  Also, there is no such thing as a "prog" guitar tone
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Originally posted by king prog king prog wrote:

can any one give me some good advice on an amp. i wont an amp that sounds prog but with an hard rock sound as well. 
I would say go with a modeling amp like maybe a Line 6
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i was thinking of geting a marshall vale amp but im not sure. any salutations or advice would be great. 
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can any one give me some good advice on an amp. i wont an amp that sounds prog but with an hard rock sound as well. 
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2011 at 17:51
Originally posted by let prog reign let prog reign wrote:

How about an amp that has more of a jazzy feel. Maybe like Santana?


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Personally, I'd say save up a bit, spend about $700 and get yourself some kind of low-wattage tube amp.  I have one of these and it's absolutely beautiful
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ I don't know - you tell me. Two posts earlier you said that modelling amps (Line 6) are good as a starting point, but kind of obviously you move to "regular" amps later.

My position is that today modelling amps are pretty much equal in terms of sound quality, and clearly superior when it comes to how much you can tweak the tone. Sure, there may be some real amps out there which - for a really hefty price tag - may offer a particular tone that seems even better, but good luck getting that on tape, or to the PA when you're performing live. Those are additional points in favor of modelling - you get persistent and readily reproducable results. Plus you don't have to carry heavy equipment around when you want to practice with a band or perform live. Plus the technology is quite affordable - for the price of a really good tube amp (the kind that keeps getting compared to modelling amps) you could buy 8-10 POD HDs. The obvious advice for any performing artist is to get two and set one of them up at home (next to your computer, which you can then also easily use to record) and the other where your band is practicing. Now if you also have a laptop you could use it to transfer sounds.

None of that is convenient (or, with the two amps scenario, affordable) with a "regular" amp, and for the suggested price tag ($300) it wouldn't even sound as good as a modelling solution (e.g. POD HD).


I think your still not understanding me, I was listing some positives to digital amps I mentioned the moving to regular amps in order for the anti-digital posters to actually listen to my points, you know concede somthing to make a point.
 
Personally I think that the idea of one amp being better is hogwash. The sound you make is what matters not how you achieve it. I like to run my guitar through a "portable" belt clip amp and then through a bass amp and finally through a Line 6 set to "Fuzzy" wich makes a crazy sound all together ....It dosent matter. Buy an amp digital, regular or whatever what matters is if YOU like it. Theres nothing wrong with choosing diffrent equipment. It just depends what suits your personall needs. In this case I think the poster should get a nice digital amp, but that isn't always the case.
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How about an amp that has more of a jazzy feel. Maybe like Santana?
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^ I don't know - you tell me. Two posts earlier you said that modelling amps (Line 6) are good as a starting point, but kind of obviously you move to "regular" amps later.

My position is that today modelling amps are pretty much equal in terms of sound quality, and clearly superior when it comes to how much you can tweak the tone. Sure, there may be some real amps out there which - for a really hefty price tag - may offer a particular tone that seems even better, but good luck getting that on tape, or to the PA when you're performing live. Those are additional points in favor of modelling - you get persistent and readily reproducable results. Plus you don't have to carry heavy equipment around when you want to practice with a band or perform live. Plus the technology is quite affordable - for the price of a really good tube amp (the kind that keeps getting compared to modelling amps) you could buy 8-10 POD HDs. The obvious advice for any performing artist is to get two and set one of them up at home (next to your computer, which you can then also easily use to record) and the other where your band is practicing. Now if you also have a laptop you could use it to transfer sounds.

None of that is convenient (or, with the two amps scenario, affordable) with a "regular" amp, and for the suggested price tag ($300) it wouldn't even sound as good as a modelling solution (e.g. POD HD).




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I did not mean to say that it is not creative to use an electric guitar, just that personally I find that MY playing is more creative when I use an acoustic than an electric.
 
Also I was making the point that any guitarist can be equally good and the equipment is not important. If one chooses digital then great if one does not then great as well. Obviously you are verry happy with your digital amp and it seems like a great tool that suits your style. Why would anyone say this makes you worse?
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^ I don't agree with this notion that using an amp or an electric guitar is less creative. By this line of reasoning pianists should automatically be more creative than keyboardists because they have less sounds at their disposal.

Sure, effects overkill can be a bad thing - but not using effects at all out of fear that it might affect your creativity might be as bad.


He starts with a very dry sound (just the amp) and then works towards the end result - which is interesting, because Eric Johnson is known as both a purist and perfectionist when it comes to his guitar sound. Newbies might be surprised as to how much tweaking is necessary to produce his tone.
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Points: 1882 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2011 at 20:12
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

It doesn't even have anything to do with signature tone
What is it about?
 
Line 6 amps allow people to play their favorite songs the way they sound on CD and thats what alot of people want.
 
I don't even use my electric guitar because it makes me lazy I stick with my acoustic, it forces me to be truely creative and not just plug in a different petal or crank a distortion knob. That sayed, when I want to learn another Yes song im going to plug in to my Line 6 and hit Yes because its fun to sound like your heroes.
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It doesn't even have anything to do with signature tone
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I understand wanting a "signature tone" but for a starting guitarist who dosent have a signature playing style even having a signature tone is moving a bit to fast. Starting guitarists want to sound like (insert name here) and play their favorite songs like they hear them on record and Line 6 provides that opportunity as well as tinker and find their own sound and style that can then later be transferred to regular amps later.
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Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ My previous question still stands: How is a Marshall amp more personal than a Line6 amp?

I don't care for the specific choice of the Marshall, but I have a feeling this could be any amp...  So really the point people are making is that on that amp you can dial in the tones and be much more specific.  Whereas the Marshall patches on these modeling amps just seem to have a generalized Marshall overdriven tone where you can not tweek the sound very much.  Basically it's the same thing as a stomp box with many effects versus individual pedals, you're sacrificing quality for quantity.  People end up with much more PERSONAL and individual tones when they're trying to get their favorite tone out of their amp much more so than when they cycle through a bunch of settings.

That's nonsense and IMO only goes to show that you've never seriously tried out modelling amps - if anything, they're about tweaking the sound *much* more than you could with any physical amp.


Listen to the samples and check out the amps and their controls. 


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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

Wow I'm suddenly doubting the musical credibility of progarchives.  Are people seriously saying that these Line 6 modeling amps match the tone of a good quality tube amp?  That is absolutely ridiculous.  They sound so ****ing processed and like generic modern "hard rock" tones.  Have fun matching the quality of my natural overdrive tone with one of those.  A friend left one at my house a year ago and I've used them....their fine for practice I guess but the tone has no balls.

If you're a metal head they'll probably satisfy you, but the warm tones are non existent.  All the gain channels have that incredibly artificial crunch to them.  I'd rather buy a small tube amp that can't be loud enough to gig than a garbage sounding amp that can be loud enough.  There's always PA's that can mic the smaller amp.  I can't believe people want these amps that are going to give them all these tones, get an amp and make your own damn tone.  If you want a "modern shred sound" almost any distortion pedal will give you that.  I've had the same amp for six years and have never been playing music it didn't work for.  There aren't amps geared towards everything.


Which is more or less what I said (not in so many words, though).  Musicians nowadays don't seem to understand the concept of personality via tone

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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ My previous question still stands: How is a Marshall amp more personal than a Line6 amp?

I don't care for the specific choice of the Marshall, but I have a feeling this could be any amp...  So really the point people are making is that on that amp you can dial in the tones and be much more specific.  Whereas the Marshall patches on these modeling amps just seem to have a generalized Marshall overdriven tone where you can not tweek the sound very much.  Basically it's the same thing as a stomp box with many effects versus individual pedals, you're sacrificing quality for quantity.  People end up with much more PERSONAL and individual tones when they're trying to get their favorite tone out of their amp much more so than when they cycle through a bunch of settings.
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I have an amp on my iPad. ;-)

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It's kind of funny, my gear currently includes an amp that simulates other amps, an electric guitar effects box that has amp simulations, and a sequencer that has amp simulations.  LOL
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