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Poll Question: Can any other group top the Gabriel era Genesis?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:05
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

1st option, although I will not say there are, or were, bands better than Genesis, but there have certainly been those that are their equal.  That was not an option, so the closest to my view is option #1.  Others have listed some I consider equals: Yes, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Magma, dare I say ELP?  Just look at the albums from the same era.  No one band is the absolute best, no one artist is the absolute best.  There are too many criteria, too many variations possible in the creation and performance of music.  There is no fully objective standard to analyze and quantify that will place one above any of the others.  Each of the bands in consideration could do things the others really could not.
I really like this response!
See, if you start throwing albums out there such as Meddle or Tormato, Brain Salad Surgery etc.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:12

The poll is somewhat unorthodox but not to be completely dismissed.

I would suggest Rush. From Caress of Steel to Moving Pictures, especially. That's 6 albums as well.

But granted, Genesis is my favorite band ever, currently.

So I guess I'll go with the 1st option.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:14
I think Genesis debut weak, and would say that bands such as Magma, Tangerine Dream, Soft machine, Amon Duul II, Gentle Giant and King Crimson, as well as later ones such as Univers Zero and Art Zoyd with the debut LPs came out of the gates much stronger.  Though I don't think that highly of Udu Wudu, though still good, I think all of Magma's earlier albums excellent, and I think Art Zoyd's first run of eight albums excellent, as well as other very strong later ones.

Area had a very strong run for its first five.

Gabriel-era Genesis didn't peak until The Lamb in my opinion, and then it was over.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:37
GY!BE are atleast equal to Genesis in their respective field... personaly I don't love Genesis quite as much
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:38
Uh, genesis has AT MOST a string of 2 above average album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:43
Yes's string of classics is stronger, even though I do love Genesis.

1) The Yes Album
2) Fragile
3) Close to the Edge
4) Tales From Topographic Oceans
5) Relayer
6) Going for the One
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:44
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I think Genesis debut weak, and would say that bands such as Magma, Tangerine Dream, Soft machine, Amon Duul II, Gentle Giant and King Crimson, as well as later ones such as Univers Zero and Art Zoyd with the debut LPs came out of the gates much stronger.  Though I don't think that highly of Udu Wudu, though still good, I think all of Magma's earlier albums excellent, and I think Art Zoyd's first run of eight albums excellent, as well as other very strong later ones.

Area had a very strong run for its first five.

Gabriel-era Genesis didn't peak until The Lamb in my opinion, and then it was over.
Wow, you're a tough nut to crack! Who is At Zoyd? Never heard of 'em. I've just started listening to Soft Machine, very nice stuff. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:48
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Yes's string of classics is stronger, even though I do love Genesis.

1) The Yes Album
2) Fragile
3) Close to the Edge
4) Tales From Topographic Oceans
5) Relayer
6) Going for the One
I'm a big fan of Tormato. You have chosen a solid string of albums here.
 
Let me be clear to all, I'm not suggesting that Genesis is the best ever and walks on water. They've quite pissed me off at times (especially Paper Late). Just asking.  As per above, I prefer 3-6 over 1 & 2 on your list. I've never said to myself, I need to hear The Yes Album. But that's just me. Thanks!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:52
"They've quite pissed me off at times (especially Paper Late)."
 
"Paperlate" is a marvelous pop song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:00
I believe nobody can top 7 masterpieces in a row as Genesis

1.- Trespass
2.- NC
3.- Foxtrot
4.- SEBTP
5.- TLLDOB
6.- ATOTT
7.- W&W

And I do believe Genesis is the best band ever...But that's my taste.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:06
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I believe nobody can top 7 masterpieces in a row as Genesis

1.- Trespass
2.- NC
3.- Foxtrot
4.- SEBTP
5.- TLLDOB
6.- ATOTT
7.- W&W

And I do believe Genesis is the best band ever...But that's my taste.

Iván



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:07
Originally posted by Steven Brodziak Steven Brodziak wrote:

Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

1st option, although I will not say there are, or were, bands better than Genesis, but there have certainly been those that are their equal.  That was not an option, so the closest to my view is option #1.  Others have listed some I consider equals: Yes, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Magma, dare I say ELP?  Just look at the albums from the same era.  No one band is the absolute best, no one artist is the absolute best.  There are too many criteria, too many variations possible in the creation and performance of music.  There is no fully objective standard to analyze and quantify that will place one above any of the others.  Each of the bands in consideration could do things the others really could not.
I really like this response!
See, if you start throwing albums out there such as Meddle or Tormato, Brain Salad Surgery etc.
 
I love Genesis. Hype? Well I just wanted to dind out where you fans really stand.
Thanks!  The way I see it, we could say that either there is no best band or that there are a number (never to be clearly identified) of best bands.  The pessimist may say there are none, but I go for the other option. Ying Yang
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:09
Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

"They've quite pissed me off at times (especially Paper Late)."
 
"Paperlate" is a marvelous pop song.
The radio station where I was at at the time, had built up this big anticipation of the "New Genesis" song.
Pop, yes. I wasn't looking for pop. Don't you yourself believe that puting out a song like "Evidence of Autumn" would have been the better option? Any other song from 3 sides would've worked except Me & Virgil
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:13
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

King Crimson: Court, Lizard, Islands, Larks', Starless, Red. (those are 6)
 
Yes: Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Tales, Relayer. (those are 5, you actually listed 5 Genesis albums)
 
Pink Floyd: Meddle, Dark Side, Wish, Animals, Wall. (another 5)
 
Soft Machine: 2, 3, 6, 7, Bundles
 
Zappa: Hot Rats, Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka, Over-Nite, One Size, Apostrophe, Roxy, Zappa in NYC, Sleep Dirt...and so on...
 
Conclusion: there are many of great 70s bands that can match Genesis' "Gold era".
I agree. but if you add Atom Heart Mother also Pink Floyd are 6. I would add More, too.
Also I DON'T LIKE GENESIS. Sorry but I've never been able to listen to a whole album except for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway that's the only one that I would rate 5 stars. Question of tastes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:16
Originally posted by Steven Brodziak Steven Brodziak wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I think Genesis debut weak, and would say that bands such as Magma, Tangerine Dream, Soft machine, Amon Duul II, Gentle Giant and King Crimson, as well as later ones such as Univers Zero and Art Zoyd with the debut LPs came out of the gates much stronger.  Though I don't think that highly of Udu Wudu, though still good, I think all of Magma's earlier albums excellent, and I think Art Zoyd's first run of eight albums excellent, as well as other very strong later ones.

Area had a very strong run for its first five.

Gabriel-era Genesis didn't peak until The Lamb in my opinion, and then it was over.
Wow, you're a tough nut to crack! Who is At Zoyd? Never heard of 'em. I've just started listening to Soft Machine, very nice stuff. 


ART ZOYD is a French "Rock in Opposition (RIO)" band on the chamber rock/ music side. It has a Magma infleunce and it's similar to Univers Zero and Present but doesn't get as much attention.  An essential and great RIO band, I think, but I wouldn't expect most people here to enjoy the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:23
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

King Crimson: Court, Lizard, Islands, Larks', Starless, Red. (those are 6)
 
Yes: Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Tales, Relayer. (those are 5, you actually listed 5 Genesis albums)
 
Pink Floyd: Meddle, Dark Side, Wish, Animals, Wall. (another 5)
 
Soft Machine: 2, 3, 6, 7, Bundles
 
Zappa: Hot Rats, Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka, Over-Nite, One Size, Apostrophe, Roxy, Zappa in NYC, Sleep Dirt...and so on...
 
Conclusion: there are many of great 70s bands that can match Genesis' "Gold era".
I agree. but if you add Atom Heart Mother also Pink Floyd are 6. I would add More, too.
Also I DON'T LIKE GENESIS. Sorry but I've never been able to listen to a whole album except for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway that's the only one that I would rate 5 stars. Question of tastes.


Atom Heart Mother is my favourite Pink Floyd album, and I also love Ummagumma.  Pink Floyd's first six are my favourites: The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, and Meddle, but I think the first eleven makes for a very strong run.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 02:29
I like Gabriel era Genesis a lot, but ahead of their albums I put

Yes, King Crimson, Zappa, Gentle Giant and last but not least Magma. Also Hatfield And The North, National Health are much better than Genesis. List could continue after morning coffee and cigarette ...


Edited by akaBona - March 21 2011 at 02:31
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 02:43
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I believe nobody can top 7 masterpieces in a row as Genesis

1.- Trespass
2.- NC
3.- Foxtrot
4.- SEBTP
5.- TLLDOB
6.- ATOTT
7.- W&W

And I do believe Genesis is the best band ever...But that's my taste.

Iván

Not often we agree.....but I have to ditto this. Genesis were the best prog band ever and even after W & W with the exception of maybe IT. No-one could come close to releasing so many solid concept albums and so regularly. 40 years on I still need to pinch myself and what these guys achieved....outstanding!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:18
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

King Crimson: Court, Lizard, Islands, Larks', Starless, Red. (those are 6)
 
Yes: Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Tales, Relayer. (those are 5, you actually listed 5 Genesis albums)
 
Pink Floyd: Meddle, Dark Side, Wish, Animals, Wall. (another 5)
 
Soft Machine: 2, 3, 6, 7, Bundles
 
Zappa: Hot Rats, Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka, Over-Nite, One Size, Apostrophe, Roxy, Zappa in NYC, Sleep Dirt...and so on...
 
Conclusion: there are many of great 70s bands that can match Genesis' "Gold era".


This. Sums it up pretty well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:37
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Yes's string of classics is stronger, even though I do love Genesis.
1) The Yes Album
2) Fragile
3) Close to the Edge
4) Tales From Topographic Oceans
5) Relayer
6) Going for the One
 
I almost agree: only Tales does not fit in a string of classics (imho of course). But Pink Floyd wins it by the thickness of a hair:
 
1. Ummagumma
2. Atom heart Mother
3. Meddle
4. Obscured by Couds
5. Dark Side of the Moon
6. Wish You Were Here
 


Edited by someone_else - March 21 2011 at 03:37
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