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Points: 66588 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2011 at 13:35
I'm not a big fan of racing, but I'll watch a few laps of NASCAR or various Indy Car races from time to time, when flipping through the channels.  I can only remember going to one race in my lifetime, and it was while we were on vacation in Vermont.  We drove over to a track in New Hampshire and watched a race.  I think it was just a local race track, nothing like NASCAR or Indy.  It was fun, but I remember that it was really loud too.
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Ah there ya go.


Also, instead of building a new track...could just use the Long Beach Circuit?
Its already used for open wheel racing so I know its fine.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

They used to run a Grand Prix in downtown Detroit every year, but that ended a number of years ago.  I never made it to any of those races.
Early 80's if I remember my f1 history correctly, though IndyCar/ChampCar ran at the Bell Isle circuit much more recently.
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Ah there ya go. Also, instead of building a new track...could just use the Long Beach Circuit?Its already used for open wheel racing so I know its fine. Confused
Long Beach doesnt have the Grade 1 FIA licence to hold. Personally I'd keep LB for the ALMS and Indy, they'd have to butcher the track to get it to F1 standards.
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

They used to run a Grand Prix in downtown Detroit every year, but that ended a number of years ago.  I never made it to any of those races.
Early 80's if I remember my f1 history correctly, though IndyCar/ChampCar ran at the Bell Isle circuit much more recently.
That sounds about right.  I can remember teachers having Detroit Grand Prix posters on the wall in my classrooms, so it was probably in the lae 70's early 80's timeframe.
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Ah there ya go. Also, instead of building a new track...could just use the Long Beach Circuit?Its already used for open wheel racing so I know its fine. Confused
Long Beach doesnt have the Grade 1 FIA licence to hold. Personally I'd keep LB for the ALMS and Indy, they'd have to butcher the track to get it to F1 standards.


Figured it was that.
I want to know what F1 standards are. It seems to be the death of a lot of acceptable tracks. I know they are strict but wow...

Also I know Senna was beloved but seeing some conspiracy comments on the internet about it is insane LOL


Oh and yes, 1982 to 1988
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Grand_Prix


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Final spot on the grid at HRT has gone to Tonio Liuzzi.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 05:11
Sooo

Petrov and Kubica were both on Renault.
Kubica was obviously the number one driver, he then has terrible accident.

And Petrov is Russian.....while Robert is Polish....
Not implying anything. Wink

I'm sure Vitaly has no idea where the break lines on a rally car is anyway!
*looks nervously*


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Oh and speaking of Hispania...

How has their offseason been? Just saw an article (a bit old though) that due to a shortage with parts it was expected they may not even log a lap before the first GP.
I hope they managed to get some practice in!

Imagine 0 testing over the whole off season then having to start the year!
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Hispania......... They claim some suspension bits were stucked in the toll customs. B******* !!! 

I did not know there was a toll custom border between United Kingdom and Spain. The new Schengen deal and the European Union has done away with toll customs many, many years ago. The far too many excuses Hispania has come up with since the end of the 2010 season is feeble and frankly unworthy of the F1 world. I would have had sympathy with them if they had been honest. But open dishonesty does not win many friends.

I also have my serious doubts about the signing of the rather painfully slow Narain Karthikeyan. He did not impress in his year in Jordan six years ago and did not set the world on fire in any other series either. I think the 107 % rule will expose him and the team pretty badly with some no-shows at the first races.  

    
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^I remember him being quite quick, but his learning curve flat lined pretty early on at Jordan.

As for going to the first race without testing, well they should be used to it now after last year.

Though Geoff Willis is a good designer, I still see them struggling with the 107% rule, and thats both drivers.
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Ah, forgot they were installing the 107% rule again.
Well, if any team will struggle with it I am sure it'll be Hispania...

I did not know they went the 2010 offseason without logging any laps either. Jeez.....

As for Narain, I think every F1 driver is quick. At that level I am sure you have to be good.
Of course you may still be slow relatively....and if you can't keep up then you just can't.
Equipment and the mental ability to handle it then come into play.

But yeah, if HRT wasn't bad enough I can't say the lineup of Karthikayen and Liuzzi really impresses me.
A 34 year old driver with one year experience, and has been out of the sport for 5 years, and managed one point finish which was at the 05 USGP....and Liuzzi as a teammate.
That is not exactly a big help for the team.
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The first laps they did last year were in qualy at Bahrain, they couldnt even do practice the car was so unreliable. Its actually amazing that Senna made it to lap 17 in that race. For referance, Ferrari have done 120+ laps every day during testing with the new car. 
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I would not be happy if I was involved in Virgin too. Their car seems to be a dog and they have been hopeless off the pace so far. I believe they too will get problems with that 107 % rule. 
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2011 at 16:25
Well let's face it...you don't really wanna be on any of the lower teams LOL

Yeah we know how much work teams put in for F1. It boggle my mind that a team can have zero offseason practice and just show up for the GP...
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2011 at 18:06
Virgin will be fine, by all accounts they've made an improvement over last year, but nowhere near as much as Lotus have, which is unsurprising.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2011 at 19:19
I have no idea how off season testing goes, but in terms of season production Force India seems to have made improvements over the years. 
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Ah, forgot they were installing the 107% rule again.
Well, if any team will struggle with it I am sure it'll be Hispania...

I did not know they went the 2010 offseason without logging any laps either. Jeez.....

As for Narain, I think every F1 driver is quick. At that level I am sure you have to be good.
Of course you may still be slow relatively....and if you can't keep up then you just can't.
Equipment and the mental ability to handle it then come into play.

But yeah, if HRT wasn't bad enough I can't say the lineup of Karthikayen and Liuzzi really impresses me.
A 34 year old driver with one year experience, and has been out of the sport for 5 years, and managed one point finish which was at the 05 USGP....and Liuzzi as a teammate.
That is not exactly a big help for the team.


Unless you're Luca Badoer. LOL
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2011 at 22:53
hehe
ohyouuuuu

But really, how else can you make it that far?
Also taking a quick look at wiki..look at the teams he was on: Lola, Minardi and Forti (!? what?) then 2 races with Ferrari in 09
That is one sad career to have LOL
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 08:10
^He was a brilliant test driver but a bit lacking in racing. 
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