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The T 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
 Posted: March 09 2011 at 11:33 |
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^Good points Mike...
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 17:21 |
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^ Good points Mike??
Sounded like ambiguity to me, does not know what causes global warming, no big deal if the polar bear goes extinct, and people should move away from the sea, problem solved, yep |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 18:01 |
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I happen to agree (mostly) with Mike (hey, there's something you don't see everyday). Although, I could be referring to the late Michael Crichton, who say that while global warming may be happening, whether or not man has much to do with it is the big unknown, and to posit that mankind is the big cause of it is really stupid and unfounded. In other words, I'm not going to feel guilty at all if we all die. Earth is bigger than 7 billion people (most of whom exhibit almost zero impact on the environment). |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 19:37 |
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great outlook from a parent of toddlers, global warming is a fact and humans are contributors and there are things individuals can do to mitigate their carbon footprint and impact, nobody needs to feel guilty they need to feel able to do their part to reduce things like pollution, reliance on fossil fuels, walk more, drive less, support green technologies and cut back on consumption, I await your answer on why we should continue to live in destructive ways, I am sure you will have one
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 19:50 |
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Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have destructive ways. Onus is on you, not me. PS- Guilt tactics (ex. "You don't love your children!") will never ever never ever work on me. So don't waste your time with them. |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 20:03 |
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Really I would not waste my time arguing with you and no onus is on me, I individually do what I can, nobody said you did not love your children or your beer
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 20:07 |
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Of course you don't waste your time (even though you apply your moralistic view upon me and family). And of course the onus is not on you (even though you make a claim without backing it up). "Nobody said I didn't love my children?" Yeah, someone did. His name was David and he was an a****le.
What does this mean then? Edited by Epignosis - March 09 2011 at 20:08 |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 20:15 |
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my name is not David and my reference was meant as in a world left to our children, never ever did I say you do not love your children, that is not my call to make and from what i know in a limited way from this site I would say you love them very much, you are an intelligent person and if you want the facts on global warming look for them, enough for me, a useless debate i can do w/o
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 20:18 |
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David is the first name of a professor I once had. I find it odd that you consider me intelligent yet write off my remarks about global warming and tell me to "look for" the facts. |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 20:28 |
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The facts are found in everyday life, not at websites, maybe because i have been here for sixty years the changes are more noticeable, having worked in the woods for 35 years in close contact with nature the changes are very apparent, and I do find you to be extremely intelligent which surprises me you can't see the forest for the trees.
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 21:08 |
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My everyday life is websites. It's what I do for a living. Stop touting your age. Find some real data. I'm intelligent because I require data before I make a decision about how to live my life. Not some guy's testimony about being 60 and seeing "changes." |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 09 2011 at 21:15 |
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I'll tout whatever i want and you can believe what you want, let your rational mind tell you how to live, do all your thoughts come from what others say on websites, looks like it to me, time will tell
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 21:17 |
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No, time will not tell where my thoughts came from. That's a silly thing to say. Where do your thoughts come from? |
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The T
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 02:16 |
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This debate is fantastic. Go on.
Actually it started when Tim made a comment on my latest post.  So I should say at least a word. No Tim. I don't know where you get that I like polar bears to go extinct (I love animals) or that people should move away from the seas (though maybe they should because it's too hot and it sucks). I actually believe in global warming. I'm just not sure if there's anything we can do, or if it happening is actually our fault. I'm sure we'll find a way. And I'm quite sure many of the measures proposed don't fix sh*t and cause more problems...
Oh and I'm half as old as you so I guess I'm half as wise. Or is it exponential? Am I twice as half as a 29 year old? 28? Sorry Rob. All the beer in the world won't make you as close to pure wisdom as I am... |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 10 2011 at 02:42 |
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hehe clever. I agree with Ric. So guess I'm also a government drone eh? In fact not sure how I said that without my chip zapping me for free thought! When it comes to nature, in general, I am a sickeningly big hippie. BUT with some realism. Can't get worked up over everything... This contrail thing is not that big a deal and it is a pretty cool picture. I also find the pictures of the atom bomb clouds strangely beautiful. Guess I wanna nuke the world? Edited by JJLehto - March 10 2011 at 02:43 |
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Icarium
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 04:07 |
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this could be a coca cola comercal but it is not such, its something quite different
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 08:17 |
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Not quite. Sort of, but not quite. We know many factors which contribute, we just don't know for sure whether human CO2 emissions are the decisive one. Jumping to this conclusion without clear evidence is what I object to. Excerpt from a review: "The authors classify themselves as believers in man-made contributions to global warming but disbelievers in the climate apocalypse. Rationally speaking, I agree with them. The evidence that there is no reason for hysteria is overwhelming. Pretty much any major consequence of the "apocalypse" is clarified by real numbers in the book and the tricks used by certain people to create a false impression of a problem often become transparent."
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - March 10 2011 at 08:18 |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 10 2011 at 08:43 |
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We don't know if we are polluting the planet is such a lame excuse, when will we know?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 08:57 |
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This study shows the terrible effect of air traffic on climate (+1C) following the 11 septemeber 2001 traffic's stop in the USA. Considering that the traffic has been almost being X2 since and it's expected to be X3 again, i let you imagine the HUGE rise of temperature that will occur when almost traffic will stop because of oil shortage (if Oil shortage there is).
This is mathematic Just watch the 5 first minutes: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2058273530743771382# Edited by oliverstoned - March 10 2011 at 09:02 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 09:06 |
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And let's not forget that fearmongering is big business. Huge. |
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