Ecologic urgency : Air traffic excess

^ Good points Mike??
Sounded like ambiguity to me, does not know what causes global warming, no big deal if the polar bear goes extinct, and people should move away from the sea, problem solved, yep

great outlook from a parent of toddlers, global warming is a fact and humans are contributors and there are things individuals can do to mitigate their carbon footprint and impact, nobody needs to feel guilty they need to feel able to do their part to reduce things like pollution, reliance on fossil fuels, walk more, drive less, support green technologies and cut back on consumption, I await your answer on why we should continue to live in destructive ways, I am sure you will have one

Really I would not waste my time arguing with you and no onus is on me, I individually do what I can, nobody said you did not love your children or your beer

my name is not  David and my reference was meant as in a world left to our children, never ever did I say you do not love your children, that is not my call to make and from what i know in a limited way from this site I would say you love them very much, you are an intelligent person and if you want the facts on global warming look for them, enough for me, a useless debate i can do w/o

The facts are found in everyday life, not at websites, maybe because i have been here for sixty years the changes are more noticeable, having worked in the woods for 35 years in close contact with nature the changes are very apparent, and I do find you to be extremely intelligent which surprises me you can't see the forest for the trees.

I'll tout whatever i want and you can believe what you want, let your rational mind tell you how to live, do all your thoughts come from what others say on websites, looks like it to me, time will tell

This debate is fantastic. Go on.

Actually it started when Tim made a comment on my latest post. So I should say at least a word. No Tim. I don't know where you get that I like polar bears to go extinct (I love animals) or that people should move away from the seas (though maybe they should because it's too hot and it sucks). I actually believe in global warming. I'm just not sure if there's anything we can do, or if it happening is actually our fault. I'm sure we'll find a way. And I'm quite sure many of the measures proposed don't fix sh*t and cause more problems...

Oh and I'm half as old as you so I guess I'm half as wise. Or is it exponential? Am I twice as half as a 29 year old? 28? Sorry Rob. All the beer in the world won't make you as close to pure wisdom as I am...

this could be a coca cola comercal but it is not such, its something quite different

We don't know if we are polluting the planet is such a lame excuse, when will we know?

Mr ProgFreak wrote: timothy leary wrote: ^ Good points Mike?? Sounded like ambiguity to me, does not know what causes global warming, no big deal if the polar bear goes extinct, and people should move away from the sea, problem solved, yep Not quite. Sort of, but not quite. We know many factors which contribute, we just don't know for sure whether human CO2 emissions are the decisive one. Jumping to this conclusion without clear evidence is what I object to.  http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Extremes-Warming-Science-ebook/dp/B001RNP8B0 Excerpt from a review: "The authors classify themselves as believers in man-made contributions to global warming but disbelievers in the climate apocalypse. Rationally speaking, I agree with them.  They explain that the moderate climate scientists such as themselves are being prosecuted. But the bulk of the book is made out of hundreds or thousands of graphs and their clear interpretations - about the temperature history (obtained by different methods), the number of hurricanes, sea level, ice volumes, fires, droughts, methane, refugees, and lots of other things. The evidence that there is no reason for hysteria is overwhelming. Pretty much any major consequence of the "apocalypse" is clarified by real numbers in the book and the tricks used by certain people to create a false impression of a problem often become transparent."

And let's not forget that fearmongering is big business.  Huge.