Dream Theater

Very weak reasoning and completely baseless argument. I listened to DT the way I listened to any other band.  I am sorry, but those songs too did nothing for me emotionally.  I find Change of Seasons so laughably overblown and, here comes that word again, cliched. Every time they need to build a crescendo, they do it exactly the way it's been done by oh so many pop metal bands in the 80s and yet because it's DT, I am biased for saying so, is it?  Honestly, why would you want to rant about what people say about DT's music or point examples of what you consider emotional songs by them (for persuasion, if not what is the idea of doing so beats me?) if you completely reject any criticism of them as prog elitism or snobbishness.  Oh, and before you jump to that conclusion, I have heard all three songs many, many times prior to this discussion.  So I was not judging Change of Seasons just now and posting my impressions. 

JS19 wrote: I think the reason that DT get rejected, is because the Prog 'Elite' (haha), don't want to even consider that the reason that they are pretty well known amongst normal metal fans is for their emotion, and PROG ELEMENTS. Gosh! Mainstream scum, Liking PROG. Oh God NO!

More knee jerk defensive reactions, FYI I am a metalhead and describing metal music as mainstream scum is, er, way off base.  I mean, since when was Rigor Mortis more mainstream than Dream Theater, for instance?  More proof that some Dream Theater fans, yourself included, cannot accept a different opinion and jump to the conclusion that it must be only because of prejudice or snobbery. In other words, that we are wrong and only you are right. Funny then that we are the ones who get called snobs because....     

Ironically, this thread was going along fine before, predictably, a Dream Theater fan just HAD to invalidate criticism made about DT and others joined in to express their condolences.  Is it so hard to stay on topic instead of launching into the same old rant every time the opportunity presents itself and then complain that people bash DT all the time?  Just take a look at how much you bash others' views each time you complain of DT-bashing.  At least, we only 'bash' the music, we didn't call you soulless.      

Excuse me, sire, I am quite aware what the purpose of the thread was and had posted on topic before, what's more, you had even responded on them.  That is all the proof I need to give that I am quite well versed with their music and quite able to discuss constructively.  Take a look at where precisely the direction of the thread took a big turn.   As I said, it is not enough to discuss something related to DT for you folks, is it, you MUST somehow convert it into a rant against the haters.  Fine, you want an argument, I'll give you a swell one.  What,do you people get blinded to everything by rage if somebody attacks your 'beloved' band?    And by the way, LOL @ the very concept of "haters".   On a forum like PA where people disagreeing and moving on is de riguer, it probably only means an inability to accommodate another perspective. 

 

JS19 wrote: You just had to write a post so far up your own backside that you had to winch it out didn't you.

More defensive wailing, doesn't even merit a response.  

JS19 wrote: Of course if you had something constructive to say about the topic, this thread wouldn't go off topic. WHich is what you want isn't it?

Please see above.

JS19 wrote: (PS. By the way, i actually agree that quite a lot of DT material can be a little emotionally cold, but there is some genuinely emotion stuff there, and to call it soulless is just blind)

Er, do you people not understand the difference between relative and absolute attributes?  I had taken a lot of pains to explain that when people say DT is soulless, they don't mean completely, objectively soulless, they simply mean it's not soulful enough for them.  That is imo a reasonable position and if you won't even concede that, fine, go ride that high horse, whatever floats your boat.    Did you at all read and comprehend that post of mine where I described all this before declaring it most biast post and what not?