SRXXXIII: Engelbert Humperdinck, In Memoriam

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I've made a resolution to not be a crazy libertarian in every thread that I post in.

I noticed that you resisted answering James about gun laws and I was prepared to give you kudos.  Anyway, we did exhaust this theme of debate in the old "police hold-up" thread.

Also Caio, I see Brazil is building another uber dam?

Didn't the Itapu (sp?) Dam turn out to be a failure due to decreased rainfall and causes blackouts?
Also lol it displaces thousands of family and ruins wildlife.

Huzzah for progress!

JJLehto wrote: Well there ya go James. Have a sever crackdown on guns, and have knife crime increase. See? A lot of good that did right? And that's what I mean Caio. I DO believe all you need is a handgun or shotgun. No need for an uzi, automatic, grenade launcher BUT have to be realistic, anyone who wants one will just get one. So I see no point. Besides law abiding citizens may obey the laws, but someone who is already a criminal...well why would they follow it? So now gang members still have all their guns and some good, law abiding citizens may not. I'm not even making that up, once saw a small interview with a gang member saying how they love new gun control laws since it gives them an upper hand. Real nice.

And that is really all that you need, man. I have a cousin that is a policeman that serves on our local "special batallion" and he told me that they only need the guns they have because they need to counter the criminal's fortifications, at times. Hell, he said thay, if you are not careful, the recoil can brake your shoulder.

Besides, you ain't going to kill anybody, you are just defending yourself. That is exactly the logic that we have here. You can't buy a weapon out of the blue, you need to have good reasons. For example, if you had your house / car / etc stolen and you make a report about that (I don't know the name you use in English, but in Portuguese it is an "Ocurrance Bulletin") and it may help you to buy a gun, but it is overall pretty hard.

You need to have a really good reason, go throught technical, psychological and physical tests and a bunch of other stuff before you get a permit to have a gun. You can't carry it around, though. Only very few people can do that (policemen, criminal judges, some prosecuters, and people with special permits etc) and everybody must anually (or every 5 yerars, I don't remember exactly) be re-evaluated in order to see if they still can have the permit.

Also, both guns and ammunition are very expensive. It isn't anybody who is able to have them, what limits even more the access even if you, theorically, have the possibility of buying a gun.

The system is pretty good. The only thing that we need now is killing every last politician who allow the druglords to exist.

Oh and for the record, I have never fired a single shot from a gun.
Most I've ever done is held one at a hunting store.

Have played with airsoft guns, (and they were the cheap ones)
No one in my family has ever owned one, and maybe one or two my friends families ever have.

So can't say "lol crazy merkan with your 9000 guns"

Also, what to listen to Shred?

James wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: James wrote: If your brother got shot and killed, how would you feel then? I would probably be sad and mad that someone shot him. I wouldn't take out my anger on the very notion of legally owning a gun.  If your brother got food poisoning would you call for restaurants to be abolished?  lulz how is that even a fair comparison?

JJLehto wrote: There's also more poor and more income inequality in the US then in Europe. Crime reduced, across the nation, during the 1990's (as times were getting better). An overall reduction, and greater reduction in most cities. Maybe crime is just related (generally) to how you're doing and not owning 17 guns? So make the country better off and IMHO that is the best way to deter crime. I guess social democracy would be the best way to do that With that I'm going for a walk, cya shred

I agree with that.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: James wrote: If your brother got shot and killed, how would you feel then? I would probably be sad and mad that someone shot him. I wouldn't take out my anger on the very notion of legally owning a gun.  If your brother got food poisoning would you call for restaurants to be abolished?

lulz how is that even a fair comparison?

JJLehto wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I've made a resolution to not be a crazy libertarian in every thread that I post in. Finally!

Of course the criminals will get them on the black market, I'm not denying that.

However, I don't want to have to carry a knife or gun around for self-defence purposes 'cause some c**t is an arsehole and decides to not use his/her weapon for self-defence.  Hell, I should have to use any form of weapon for self-defence.

Kevin, yes our policeman do not carry guns around.  Truncheons, yes and the riot police have shields and batons.  No guns though.  That's fine in my opinion.

Kevin, have you ever thought that perhaps if your gun laws were different, the mindset of Americans would be different?  It's because guns are readily available that you guys have accepted them so easily.

If your brother got shot and killed, how would you feel then?