SRXXXIII: Engelbert Humperdinck, In Memoriam

James, are you aware that criminalws are NOT the general public?

Besides, have you ever fired a gun?

I used to be all about gun control because, well its what you do as a good liberal, but I realized the very large majority of  crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. So a lot of good gun control does  Besides, obtain a gun 100% legally and do everything right, ya can still go shoot a school up...

Everyone should be background checked, regardless.

Besides that what does it matter about the actual guns? I used to think no one needs an automatic rifle, it should be limited to just handguns and shotguns/riles but they'll just get one anyway....
No point in legislating something that really has ZERO impact

Even when people say "there should be less ammo in guns!" or "limit the amount of ammo you can buy"
That's legally. Someone will just get whatever they want anyway, and thinking otherwise is just naive.




Edited by JJLehto - March 06 2011 at 14:19

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CCVP wrote: James, are you aware that criminalws are NOT the general public? Besides, have you ever fired a gun?

A BB gun.

I didn't enjoy it.

Yes I am aware.  However, some of the recent horrible gun crimes in England have been by members of the general public.

Isolated incidents, yes but they're becoming all the more common.  Knife crime especially is worse now than it ever was before.

James wrote: CCVP wrote: James, are you aware that criminalws are NOT the general public? Besides, have you ever fired a gun? A BB gun. I didn't enjoy it. Yes I am aware.  However, some of the recent horrible gun crimes in England have been by members of the general public. Isolated incidents, yes but they're becoming all the more common.  Knife crime especially is worse now than it ever was before.

Shooting guns is completelly awesome. The power, the precision, the recoil, the smell of lead and powder, the feel of cold steel. . . .Never shot anything but targets inside the local police HQ, but still, a pretty great experience overall.

Well there ya go James.

Have a sever crackdown on guns, and have knife crime increase.

See? A lot of good that did right?

And that's what I mean Caio. I DO believe all you need is a handgun or shotgun. No need for an uzi, automatic, grenade launcher BUT have to be realistic, anyone who wants one will just get one. So I see no point.
Besides law abiding citizens may obey the laws, but someone who is already a criminal...well why would they follow it?
So now gang members still have all their guns and some good, law abiding citizens may not. I'm not even making that up, once saw a small interview with a gang member saying how they love new gun control laws since it gives them an upper hand. Real nice.

Of course the criminals will get them on the black market, I'm not denying that.

However, I don't want to have to carry a knife or gun around for self-defence purposes 'cause some c**t is an arsehole and decides to not use his/her weapon for self-defence.  Hell, I should have to use any form of weapon for self-defence.

Kevin, yes our policeman do not carry guns around.  Truncheons, yes and the riot police have shields and batons.  No guns though.  That's fine in my opinion.

Kevin, have you ever thought that perhaps if your gun laws were different, the mindset of Americans would be different?  It's because guns are readily available that you guys have accepted them so easily.

If your brother got shot and killed, how would you feel then?

JJLehto wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I've made a resolution to not be a crazy libertarian in every thread that I post in. Finally!

Equality 7-2521 wrote: James wrote: If your brother got shot and killed, how would you feel then? I would probably be sad and mad that someone shot him. I wouldn't take out my anger on the very notion of legally owning a gun.  If your brother got food poisoning would you call for restaurants to be abolished?

lulz how is that even a fair comparison?

JJLehto wrote: There's also more poor and more income inequality in the US then in Europe. Crime reduced, across the nation, during the 1990's (as times were getting better). An overall reduction, and greater reduction in most cities. Maybe crime is just related (generally) to how you're doing and not owning 17 guns? So make the country better off and IMHO that is the best way to deter crime. I guess social democracy would be the best way to do that With that I'm going for a walk, cya shred

I agree with that.