Nazi Salute.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: sleeper wrote: I should be surprised, but I'm not, that its primarily the Americans that get all uppity about this law that wont even effect them unless they go to Germany. Of course, for the yanks they dont have to deal with the genocidal legacy of the Nazis, which is still very recent in historical terms, as part of their heritage so its much easier for them to criticise. That's an awfully selfish view. Why should it matter that the law doesn't have an effect on me? I'm more concerned  about the people being harassed by this law past, present, and future. BTW, I still somehow heard about the entire Nazi thing even with this law in place.

The only people being harassed are complete idiots that should no better since this law has been general knowledge for a long time, and Neo-Nazis, neither group have I any sympathy for.

At no point does my post suggest the surpression of history and knowledge.

JJLehto wrote: OK I only bring it up because Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Because I was a little appalled at what you said. We do not have to dare to criticize any country, we do not even need a justification, we just can. Anyone. And apparently the idea is not that insane.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: JJLehto wrote: OK I only bring it up because Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Because I was a little appalled at what you said. We do not have to dare to criticize any country, we do not even need a justification, we just can. Anyone. And apparently the idea is not that insane. JJ, understand me. You can criticize however you can, but not be as aggressive as many people are because they believe their system is the best. We don't consider the freedom of speech as an absolute right, we consider that life is more important. Iván

ExittheLemming wrote: JJLehto wrote: OK I only bring it up because Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Because I was a little appalled at what you said. We do not have to dare to criticize any country, we do not even need a justification, we just can. Anyone. And apparently the idea is not that insane. It seems to me that the only people who seek protection under such so-called 'rights' are those who know full well that their utterances or actions are completely indefensible.

"more adequate to our reality?"

I know you're a lawyer, Ivan, but come on, don't be ridiculous.

Brian, this is for you: http://nationalinterest.org/article/ghosts-fascists-past-4888?page=show

harmonium.ro wrote: Brian, this is for you: http://nationalinterest.org/article/ghosts-fascists-past-4888?page=show

Since you addressed it for me.
Well right off the bat you're getting into sticky territory with the "Is Islam compatible with Democracy and Western Culture?" question.
May say no but I think that's silly. I know first hand they can be compatible.
And the current Middle Eastern situation seems to say something as well.

I digress.

Isn't this is a bit old? I know Muslim's in Germany and France have been concerns, and increasing numbers in various countries have led to "oh no they are flooding Europe" among some.

Anywho, sorry to miss your point Is it that this all adds up to a credible threat of a rise in extreme right wing ideology? I do admit, the economic crisis along with xenophobia is a bit of a frightening reminder...
Like Freedom of Speech multiculturalism isn't always pretty either
The US has been making it through, I think (and hope) Europe shall as well.



Edited by JJLehto - March 01 2011 at 18:38

Voting is mandatory! Hahahahahahaha 

JJLehto wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Brian, this is for you: http://nationalinterest.org/article/ghosts-fascists-past-4888?page=show Since you addressed it for me. Well right off the bat you're getting into sticky territory with the "Is Islam compatible with Democracy and Western Culture?" question. May say no but I think that's silly. I know first hand they can be compatible. And the current Middle Eastern situation seems to say something as well. I digress. Isn't this is a bit old? I know Muslim's in Germany and France have been concerns, and increasing numbers in various countries have led to "oh no they are flooding Europe" among some. Anywho, sorry to miss your point Is it that this all adds up to a credible threat of a rise in extreme right wing ideology? I do admit, the economic crisis along with xenophobia is a bit of a frightening reminder... Like Freedom of Speech multiculturalism isn't always pretty either The US has been making it through, I think (and hope) Europe shall as well.

There wasn't a particular point, the article just shows that while nowhere near an abrupt end of democracy & all that in Europe, serious concerns should be treated accordingly, and that the very liberal system in the US might not fit perfectly with the European context.

thellama73 wrote: Voting is mandatory! Hahahahahahaha

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 01 2011 at 19:15