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Posted: February 28 2011 at 15:05
I tried listening to a song by DT, I'm not sure which one it was, but I kept getting the idea that 'Yeah, we're f**king awesome and we can play like our favourite bands!' can anyone give me a good song to start with please, so I can give them a decent chance.
"Great spladdocks of crab! In the ocean, it's an idiot in a Tudor swimming costume and dragging a treasure chest."
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 14:37
JS19 wrote:
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From the start, they have been both Metal and prog, symbolised almost, by the appearance of Mike Portnoy. A long haired, troglodytic, metalhead, but so dedicated to prog, he has a King Crimson tattoo. I think that up until now, Dream Theater have been incredibly dedicated to prog and to metal, whereas most bands have 'splashings of this', and a 'bit of that'. I also believe that if one of these was removed, and the band could focus solely on one of the two, they would astound.
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I totally disagree. Mike is not that great a drummer. He does have an excellent presence on stage and he plays up to the audience and has fun, which the other 4 are not willing/able to do like he does, and that makes Mike appear to be much better, and he is NOT ... he simply is the better showman ... and one of these days, you might stop and see how reliant he is on his snare drum, to the point that I would like to break it over his head and then tell him ... now drum! ... and he probably can't! He's a good, and fun, time keeper ... and a terribly over rated "drummer", in a band that put together a lot of music that was far more challenging to play, than his drumming gave it credit for, or could improve! Even in transitional parts, you get ... standard drumming ... that you would teach to your son at 12 ... not to a prime musician! ...
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With the departure of Mr Portnoy, I wondered where they would go from here. It's almost certain that they won't abandon one of the two completely, but if they maybe just toned down the metal side of it, they may find themselves rather better received on this here website.
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I sincerely hope they come back better than ever and make Mike's exit show ... that the band has a lot more to offer than just a glorified clown that thinks he is a good drummer and has all the kiddies convinced, because he looks cool and has fun, and YOU are paying for it! ... sorry, bro ... just another Ozzie in my book ... a good entertainer, not necessarily musician!
Edited by moshkito - February 28 2011 at 14:37
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 00:52
I don't think they will continue to exclude Portnoy for long. He already wants back in, and he did spend like 25 years with DT. I estimate that Portnoy will be back behind the kit for DT's next album, or maybe the one after that.
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 00:13
I actually don't think the new drummer is going to have a huge impact on Dream Theater's sound at first. A couple more albums, maybe, but as to the recording of at least the next album, whoever it is is going to be more absorbed into assimilating into the band to be focused on songwriting. I think his role for the upcoming album is going to be little more than writing drum parts to work with something Petrucci's written. As much as I would like to see Myung start writing more of the band's stuff, the speed with which he produces stuff will still only give time for perhaps one Myung track per album. And as to LaBrie bringing the core influence to Dream Theater that was on Static Impulse - LaBrie knows that music isn't DT's style. He has his whole solo project going so he can make music that wouldn't fit with Dream Theater's sound. I definitely think this will be a Petrucci dominated record.
Mike Portnoy did a clinic here a couple weeks ago and he was trashing on kids for wearing RUSH shirts, he talked a ton of sh*t about Dream Theater AND Avenged Sevenfold (I could care less for Ax7), and absolutely refused to shake hands with anyone; he is a self proclaimed germaphobe who would only fist bump. God forbid kids who bought your records ask you about Dream Theater. I've never been huge on DT to begin with, but I think Petrucci is a great player.
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 15:20
JS19 wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I am one who believes Portnoy leaving DT is not a good thing...long term. I think they eventually will loose a lot of the creativity that got them where they are. Hopefully Myung will keep them in check......I know most do not like MP but I do like him, I certainly do not care for his singing, that needs to disappear......he needs to stick to the "sticks" and writing.
I would like to see more Transatlantic, LTE and hopefully some OSI if he will do that......but this Beatles cover band stuff he is doing...mehhh....I just hope he does not try and record any of that and spend time touring on that.
My hope is within 2-3 yrs they will get back together and create some great stuff again before they all call it quits...
In the meantime, Myung can right everything... Whoever thought it was a good idea to stop him writing was a moron.
I read somewhere (don't ask me where I don't remember) that Myung stopped writing because his ideas needed worked on and weren't fully compatible with the music by the time he brought it to the other members so he stopped writing.
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 15:16
Catcher10 wrote:
I am one who believes Portnoy leaving DT is not a good thing...long term. I think they eventually will loose a lot of the creativity that got them where they are. Hopefully Myung will keep them in check......I know most do not like MP but I do like him, I certainly do not care for his singing, that needs to disappear......he needs to stick to the "sticks" and writing.
I would like to see more Transatlantic, LTE and hopefully some OSI if he will do that......but this Beatles cover band stuff he is doing...mehhh....I just hope he does not try and record any of that and spend time touring on that.
My hope is within 2-3 yrs they will get back together and create some great stuff again before they all call it quits...
In the meantime, Myung can right everything... Whoever thought it was a good idea to stop him writing was a moron.
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 14:11
I am one who believes Portnoy leaving DT is not a good thing...long term. I think they eventually will loose a lot of the creativity that got them where they are. Hopefully Myung will keep them in check......I know most do not like MP but I do like him, I certainly do not care for his singing, that needs to disappear......he needs to stick to the "sticks" and writing.
I would like to see more Transatlantic, LTE and hopefully some OSI if he will do that......but this Beatles cover band stuff he is doing...mehhh....I just hope he does not try and record any of that and spend time touring on that.
My hope is within 2-3 yrs they will get back together and create some great stuff again before they all call it quits...
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 06:40
I'm very much afraid their new sound will be more metal and less prog.
I'm not so much wondering about what DT will do as to about what will Portnoy do. DT will have to more or less stick to their formula, it's Mike who has become free, and given his very wide musical interests, from Yes to trash metal, one can only wonder which path will he follow.
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Posted: February 25 2011 at 22:57
While DT members love prog, most of their work to date slots in metal music and I am not sure that's going to change. Actually, the best example of what JS19 described is, for me, The Perfect Element, one foot each in prog rock and metal. Not getting into full blown prog except for maybe Her Voices but say the intro of Morning Glory points to a different approach from DT. DT evoke prog more for some elements of jazz rock/fusion in the instrumental sections, maybe that might get more prominent again in the wake of Portnoy's exit.
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Posted: February 25 2011 at 22:41
andyman1125 wrote:
lazland wrote:
To be fair to them, they have definitely introduced a lot of younger fans to the prog genre as a whole, and that can only be praised.
That's me
And the direction, as people above me have stated, is entirely dependent on the new drummer. If Dave Lombardo is the new drummer (which for god's sake I hope he's not) DT will morph into a prog-related thrash metal band
Unless he goes in the direction he used for Fantomas, which would be amusing to hear DT try to perform
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Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:09
Bonnek wrote:
Sargasso wrote:
Dave Lombardo? They wouldn't.
Dave Lombardo? He wouldn't.
I respect Dream Theater but I don't like them much. When I think of them I'll try to keep their album Awake in mind and forget the many disappointments I had with them.
Awake is definitely their best (along I&W and SFAM).
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Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:05
Sargasso wrote:
Dave Lombardo? They wouldn't.
Dave Lombardo? He wouldn't.
I respect Dream Theater but I don't like them much. When I think of them I'll try to keep their album Awake in mind and forget the many disappointments I had with them.
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