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Posted: February 18 2011 at 13:13
lazland wrote:
You could make an argument (although I would not necessarily agree) that the first couple of albums by all of these bands shared commonalities. However, listen to all of them now. They have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever, excepting that they are prog rock bands.
That's what makes a style / movement; the fact that they evolved differently after doesn't change they did put out a style / movement a certain time in history. But I'll agree this is a problem for an archiving resource like PA, where only one genre can be assigned. Many people are new to certain genres and telling them "Go check the bands / albums in the category page" when they ask "What's with this X genre?" can indeed be very misleading. Album tagging would solve this IMO.
lazland wrote:
IQ have never had anything in common musically with
Marillion. Pendragon sound absolutely nothing like either, whilst
Pallas, in the last three albums certainly, have moved far away from
their pure neo roots into a sound that is altogether heavier.
That's normal. A genre / style / movement doesn't imply extreme similarity. Symphonic prog also can be the ELP debut, The Geese And The Ghost, Si on avait besoin d'un cinquieme saison or Going For The One, all different but all Symphonic Prog at the same time.
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 13:27
harmonium.ro wrote:
lazland wrote:
You could make an argument (although I would not necessarily agree) that the first couple of albums by all of these bands shared commonalities. However, listen to all of them now. They have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever, excepting that they are prog rock bands.
That's what makes a style / movement; the fact that they evolved differently after doesn't change they did put out a style / movement a certain time in history. But I'll agree this is a problem for an archiving resource like PA, where only one genre can be assigned. Many people are new to certain genres and telling them "Go check the bands / albums in the category page" when they ask "What's with this X genre?" can indeed be very misleading. Album tagging would solve this IMO.
lazland wrote:
IQ have never had anything in common musically with
Marillion. Pendragon sound absolutely nothing like either, whilst
Pallas, in the last three albums certainly, have moved far away from
their pure neo roots into a sound that is altogether heavier.
That's normal. A genre / style / movement doesn't imply extreme similarity. Symphonic prog also can be the ELP debut, The Geese And The Ghost, Si on avait besoin d'un cinquieme saison or Going For The One, all different but all Symphonic Prog at the same time.
I absolutely agree about the album tagging Alex, although I suspect it would entail one hell of a lot of work, possibly too much.
Also, your point about the broad range of music that is Symphonic is well taken. I think what I am trying to say is that the way a lot of so called neo bands is tagged is far too restrictive, and that is why they belong in the broader church that is the other sub genres.
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 14:12
I can't wait until the next wave of prog, when we get bands that want to sound like Marillion.
And we classify them as neo-neo-prog.
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 15:26
but when you put neo in front of something it just means new so, if 80 was the turning point so all prog after that is neo by this definition. I understand that it's not that easy but litterally that's what it is.
but it brings me another question. If neo is the new symphonic. did symphonic stopped at the end of the 70s?
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 16:13
harmonium.ro wrote:
That's what makes a style / movement; the fact that they evolved differently after doesn't change they did put out a style / movement a certain time in history. But I'll agree this is a problem for an archiving resource like PA, where only one genre can be assigned. Many people are new to certain genres and telling them "Go check the bands / albums in the category page" when they ask "What's with this X genre?" can indeed be very misleading. Album tagging would solve this IMO.
I fully support an album tagging system similar to that of Rateyourmusic.
Joined: November 17 2008
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 20:28
The big trend in neo-prog that I've noticed are the 80's drums. Now that I'm thinking about it, is there any 80's rock without the "big", same-sounding drums?
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 20:31
topographicbroadways wrote:
I find it strange that as a term it has stuck. I mean nobody calls Iron Maiden New Wave of British Heavy Metal anymore.
That is true. Maybe since prog was biggest in the 70's but the NWOBHM was pretty different from the early 70's metal that it's considered "classic metal" opposed to neo-prog being considered followers of the 70's prog.
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