No, i didnt listened this album, i have only 3 albums here, and they are entirely instrumental. D:

Hoyry-Kone its excelent, its in many aspects, very diferent from Alamaailman Vasarat, its awesome, i will search to take this to my "collection".

explain to me: what exacly is considered "RIO"?
for example, im listening a band called Grumpf Quartet (its excelent), the have many element i see in RIO/Avant (its the same thing?) musics, but they are classified by "Math Rock"(a strange name to an prog/rock style), whats the diference?

thanks.

Madrox wrote: explain to me: what exacly is considered "RIO"? for example, im listening a band called Grumpf Quartet (its excelent), the have many element i see in RIO/Avant (its the same thing?) musics, but they are classified by "Math Rock"(a strange name to an prog/rock style), whats the diference? thanks.

It's hard to be definite about a lot of these terms because there is so much crossover between them, but at its simplest, avant-Prog = progressive rock with strong avant-garde qualities.

RIO stands for Rock In Opposition, which was originally a musical/cultural/political movement spearheaded by members of Henry Cow -  a very influential group, well worth checking out if you haven't already. There is a reasonable overview of Rock In Opposition on wikipedia. Most RIO groups are connected to prog and also have strong avant-garde properties. So, RIO is basically a specific branch of avant-prog, but not all avant-prog is RIO. I hope that makes sense. I spent a while trying to get these terms split on the Prog Archives database to try and avoid this kind of confusion but as with any major change on this site, the rate of progress is glacial.

As for Grumpf Quartet, I haven't heard them yet but they have added to the line-up for this year's RIO festival in France, so they're likely to be associated with RIO/Avant-Prog from now on. There are several bands which fall under both avant-prog and math rock, such as Ruins and Upsillon Acrux. Really, all these labels aren't very important. The important thing is to just sit back enjoy the music!

My explanation of Zeuhl, which is not canon but works for me, is a combo of opera, jazz, and rock.

Madrox wrote: It's hard to be definite about a lot of these terms because there is so much crossover between them, but at its simplest, avant-Prog = progressive rock with strong avant-garde qualities. RIO stands for Rock In Opposition, which was originally a musical/cultural/political movement spearheaded by members of Henry Cow -  a very influential group, well worth checking out if you haven't already. There is a reasonable overview of Rock In Opposition on wikipedia. Most RIO groups are connected to prog and also have strong avant-garde properties. So, RIO is basically a specific branch of avant-prog, but not all avant-prog is RIO. I hope that makes sense. I spent a while trying to get these terms split on the Prog Archives database to try and avoid this kind of confusion but as with any major change on this site, the rate of progress is glacial. As for Grumpf Quartet, I haven't heard them yet but they have added to the line-up for this year's RIO festival in France, so they're likely to be associated with RIO/Avant-Prog from now on. There are several bands which fall under both avant-prog and math rock, such as Ruins and Upsillon Acrux. Really, all these labels aren't very important. The important thing is to just sit back enjoy the music! hummm! interesting! im hearing Henry Cow here, and its awesome, i have much to discover. =D do you have any sugestions? i have mines: Mr.Bungle (my favorite band of all time, really) Grumpf Quartet (link;http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Grumpf_Quartet) Fantomas Die Knodel and Discus =) ah! i have another question! what is Zeuhl? thanks. =)

I made a big post on the blog of my radio show about RIO , but it's in french : http://vraimentautrechose.hautetfort.com/ There is a flash player to hear the radio show (with a lot of great groups of RIO and also mr bungle) and a long post about the beginning of RIO .

The only languages i undestand is Portuguese and English.
and VERY little spanish.
xD

I've only heard the original 2001 version, but yeah they did re-release it in 2009 as a remix and I guess they added some parts from the newer members.

avestin wrote: TheGazzardian wrote: Alright avant-heads, maybe some of you can help me with this ... I recently acquired Koenjihyakkei's Nivraym. It is my second Koenjihyakkei album, and I was under the impression that it came from 2001, before Angher Shispa. However, in the booklet it says: "additional recordings in 2009 by..." (etc.) So I am curious, is this a new version of the album? It has been remixed and added with some new recordings.  Here's info from Wayside: Koenjihyakkei - Nivraym (reworked/remixed/remastered) SKU 32-SKINGRAFT95 This is a reissue of the unavailable 3rd release by this Ruins offshoot project, led by Tatsuya Yoshida-drums, vocals, with Jin Harada-guitar, Sakamoto Kengo- bass, Oguchi Kenichi-keyboards (of Kenso) & Sagara Nami (soprano voice). While not quite a Magma-derived as their first, this is still a wild race into Zeuhl territory, with all the throbbing bass, wild, Vander-inspired drumming, & Kobaian-via-Japan singing you could hope for. Really nice & powerful! For better or worse, it has been significanly re-worked for this new edition (see below). "Nivraym is the third studio album by Japan's Koenjihyakkei. Led by Yoshida Tatsuya of the progressive-hardcore drum and bass duo Ruins, Koenjihyakkei's Nivraym is the bands purest, most uncompromising expression of Zeuhl music to date, blending progressive rock, symphonic rock, fusion and neoclassicism with the energy of hardcore punk, the volume of metal and the attitude of rock in opposition.__Previously available only in Japan, Nivraym has been extensively rebuilt for this 2009 worldwide release. The band has gone back to the original master recordings and the current line-up has added new flourishes, additional overdubs, re-recorded drum tracks and the entire album has been remixed and remastered at Japan's Magaibutsu Studio!"

I got my hands on Far Corners debut album yesterday, bloody amazing stuff! I've been really delving into Avant recently with U Totem, Zaar, Cerberus Shoal, Cheer Accident, Sleepytime Guerilla Museum, Univers Zero, Present, Guapo, NeBeLNeST, Secret Chiefs 3 and anything Toby Driver related. This seems t be where my tastes are heading at the moment so I think I'll be hanging out in here a fair bit more from now on. Just wish I could find a Cardiacs album for less than £50!

sleeper wrote: Just wish I could find a Cardiacs album for less than £50!

As do we all. You're hopefully already somewhat aware of why there are no official channels for purchasing Cardiacs albums, but if not you can check out this thread for details. The majority of their discography is available on iTunes and whilst that's a big compromise for us music nerds, it's currently the only way to send some much-needed cash Tim's way in exchange for his wonderful music.

Anthony H. wrote: I just listened to Zorn's "Parachute Years" albums (Lacrosse, Pool, Hockey, and Archery). They were kind of interesting, but I can't really imagine myself giving them repeated listens.

Zorn...
John Zorn? i really like his live performances...
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