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Posted: February 17 2011 at 12:48
JS19 wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Yeah, Super Castlevania IV's soundtrack is VERY proggy (as are the other games in the series though to a lesser extent), the F Zero series also deserves mention for it's very fast and complex soundtracks.
I love music from the 8 bit/16 bit era. As video game music is all looped, it's a constant challenge for composers to create melodies that dont overstay their welcome. The complexity of a lot of NES era music rivals that of prog rock.
Koji Kondo (Zelda, Mario) actually credits ELP as a major influence. Not a surprise really, some of the old Mario music DOES remind me of them a little. Also listen to some Zelda music and tell me it doesn't remind you of Hackett era Genesis.
I think limitations is what allowed a lot of video game music of the past to be so creative, nowadays game developers more often use licensed music or music that's more like a conventional movie score, because games are all about being cinematic these days.
Ohmygosh, I'm not the only one who thinks the F-Zero soundtrack is A-mazing (and the Metroid OST is an ambient lover's dream!)
mg yay someone who loves metroid as much as i do! i've loved that music since the bloody game came out, have this awesome techno version of it too:)
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 11:42
Totaly in agreement, but prog rock is popular music because prog rock has no the same level of chamber music, concert music, symphonic or opera music, even though prog rock is the rock music all best.
Maybe we love it because it is obscure and in the shadows of what´s playing on the radio? What if Yugen right now had the top selling album around, and we all were discussing the underrated material of Justin Bieber - that guy never seems to get a break!
I find it easier to get people to listen to progressive music, if I can make some sort of speech about letting oneself go and listening to the music like it´s waves on the beach, instead of something you need to dance to or sing along to.
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 19:01
PlumAplomb wrote:
JS19 wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Yeah, Super Castlevania IV's soundtrack is VERY proggy
(as are the other games in the series though to a lesser extent), the F
Zero series also deserves mention for it's very fast and complex
soundtracks.
I love music from the 8 bit/16 bit era. As video game music is all
looped, it's a constant challenge for composers to create melodies that
dont overstay their welcome. The complexity of a lot of NES era music
rivals that of prog rock.
Koji Kondo (Zelda, Mario) actually credits ELP as a major
influence. Not a surprise really, some of the old Mario music DOES
remind me of them a little. Also listen to some Zelda music and tell me
it doesn't remind you of Hackett era Genesis.
I think limitations is what allowed a lot of video game music of
the past to be so creative, nowadays game developers more often use
licensed music or music that's more like a conventional movie score,
because games are all about being cinematic these days.
Ohmygosh, I'm not the only one who thinks the F-Zero soundtrack is A-mazing (and the Metroid OST is an ambient lover's dream!)
mg
yay someone who loves metroid as much as i do! i've loved that music
since the bloody game came out, have this awesome techno version of it
too:)
I recommend the main Theme from the nes game Solstice and most of the themes and songs from the nes game Maniac Mansion.
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Posted: February 18 2011 at 21:35
PlumAplomb wrote:
JS19 wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Yeah, Super Castlevania IV's soundtrack is VERY proggy (as are the other games in the series though to a lesser extent), the F Zero series also deserves mention for it's very fast and complex soundtracks.
I love music from the 8 bit/16 bit era. As video game music is all looped, it's a constant challenge for composers to create melodies that dont overstay their welcome. The complexity of a lot of NES era music rivals that of prog rock.
Koji Kondo (Zelda, Mario) actually credits ELP as a major influence. Not a surprise really, some of the old Mario music DOES remind me of them a little. Also listen to some Zelda music and tell me it doesn't remind you of Hackett era Genesis.
I think limitations is what allowed a lot of video game music of the past to be so creative, nowadays game developers more often use licensed music or music that's more like a conventional movie score, because games are all about being cinematic these days.
Ohmygosh, I'm not the only one who thinks the F-Zero soundtrack is A-mazing (and the Metroid OST is an ambient lover's dream!)
mg yay someone who loves metroid as much as i do! i've loved that music since the bloody game came out, have this awesome techno version of it too:)
As a matter of fact, to me the music from Mario Bros, when he gets a star, sounds exactly the same as the middle part from Rick Wakeman's "Sir Launcelot and the Black Night", when Wakman does his keyboard solo, acompannied by... well, I'm not sure if it's bass or guitar, but that other instrument does exactly the same melody from Mario's star.
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 10:23
I agree, surely it is more popular than the mainline media gives the impression it is.
It still tells the story of dinosaurs unseated by punk (I know .. these giant creatures did not have chairs.. I know).
I keep seeing people with Rush t-shirts on round my way though. And listening to planet rock radio, there are often prog bands requested by listener, and not just the most obvious tracks.
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 11:01
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad.
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Posted: June 09 2011 at 14:46
It is not popular because of the government who has everyone brainwashed to listen to Lady Gaga (must... stay... strong...). It is an obvious plot by the man to steal our cabbage.
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Posted: June 11 2011 at 08:51
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad.
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes.
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 06:36
frippism wrote:
It is not popular because of the government who has everyone brainwashed to listen to Lady Gaga (must... stay... strong...). It is an obvious plot by the man to steal our cabbage.
No government conspiracies here. Lady Gaga is one of a line of pop divas which began with Madonna using the power of sex of the new age female to sell the music. Her popularity depends on the freshness of the latest visual gimmick or talking point, usually more over the top than the previous gimmick. Her last show lost a lot of money which may end up bankrupting her. At some point in time people lose interest and it becomes a passing fad. There has to be something underneath the surface of the music, otherwise people eventually wise up.
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Posted: June 13 2011 at 01:58
Alitare wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad.
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes.
Concur to a large extent but I prefer noodly, expansive depth to catchy but shallow fluff, though, yes, I'd prefer a combination of depth and appeal over either of these extremes. What you want has been delivered by very few artists in the history of rock music and on a consistent basis only by the Beatles. I guess as much as I love KC, Genesis etc I am not really much of a proghead because I cannot get myself to like a piece simply because it's long and complex, that by itself is not so important to me.
5 of prog's Big Six are in the top 50 (three are in the top 20)
In the 70s, the album charts were crammed with prog albums. Tubular Bells hung around in the top 10 for a couple of years, Dark Side Of The Moon was around long enough for newborn babies to become teenagers while it was in the chart, and in the early 70s there was hardly a week went by without a new prog album appearing in the top 20.
People have short attention spans now, they want a superflashy video, a tune they can whistle and forget, and another one two minutes later.
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 19:46
Alitare wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad.
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes.
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 20:04
resurrection wrote:
To like Prog you either have to be intelligent or eccentric, quick or quirky, sensitive or silly, idealistic or idiosyncratic.
That's a funny statement. You make it out like enjoying progressive rock is a positive personality trait that transcends all other genre loves. Your words imply that those who don't appreciate prog rock are deficient in some way. You aren't saying that explicitly, but it seems like it drips from your words.
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