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    Posted: February 16 2011 at 00:41
Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell.
 
God knows what I could do with you.
 
It's what it is now.
 
Let's forget Dire Straits (tho' we shouldn't).  Let's look at prog folk.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 06:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 08:29
this is definitly progressive rock
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 09:23
Saw Knoffler in concert - amazing guitarist - not a shred of prog though and he would admit that too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 09:28
A little bit of country, a little bit of rock n roll....not much of what I think is prog though, although I am no expert on prog folk so take that for what it is worth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 10:02
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell.
 
God knows what I could do with you.
 
It's what it is now.
 
Let's forget Dire Straits (tho' we shouldn't).  Let's look at prog folk.
 
 

Were you hittin' the bottle again there bud?  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 10:19
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell.
 
God knows what I could do with you.
 
It's what it is now.
 
Let's forget Dire Straits (tho' we shouldn't).  Let's look at prog folk.
 
 

Were you hittin' the bottle again there bud?  Wink


Yup.

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

 
I'm drunk again, I've been drinking Gordon's Gin
 
is how it goes.


I like Knopfler.  The song quoted in the OP is my favorite by him.  Absolutely not prog though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:06
C'mon, ya know, like how at The Oscars they give out the lifetime achievement award?
 
Hell, we apparently put bands who have done nothing more than string together a bunch of riffs into Prog Metal.  Certainly there's a place in Prog Folk for Knopfler.
 
Look at it this way.  Progressive rock consists of musicians who stretch the boundaries of what is rock.  How about those who choose to work within its confines, and yet still manage to stretch and even redefine what is?
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:12
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell.
 
God knows what I could do with you.
 
It's what it is now.
 
Let's forget Dire Straits (tho' we shouldn't).  Let's look at prog folk.
 
 

Were you hittin' the bottle again there bud?  Wink


Yup.

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

 
I'm drunk again, I've been drinking Gordon's Gin
 
is how it goes.


I like Knopfler.  The song quoted in the OP is my favorite by him.  Absolutely not prog though.
 
Quoted out of context.  Now I know how it feels.
 
Actually, I prefer Bombay.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:12
I love Knopfler, and got the first Dire Straits album on release. It still sounds great. You could make an argument, I suppose, that a lot of Making Movies was prog related, but this comes back to the age old problem. Some of it would fit in well with prog related, but the majority of his output is in no way even related to prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:37
Just out of interest, Mark's brother David has also had quite a productive solo career with some decent rock music, though not prog by any stretch of the imagination.  I haven't heard all his albums, but so far the best I've heard is his 1985 album "Behind the Lines"  Actually, a couple of tracks on the album are quite proggy, in particular "Prophecies"  Unfortunately I didn't find a YouTube video for this track to post, but here's another from the same album




http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:50
What's with you're initial post jammun, please explain?
 
Also, please clarify who you are proposing, Dire Straits, Mark Knopfler's solo career, or David Knopfler.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 14:16
^ Yes, it is rather cryptic.  I assumed he was referring to Mark Knopfler.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 14:27
Sorry, sometimes I'm a bit obscure, to the point that some think I've been drinking Gordon's Gin.  The original post consists of lyric bits from the song What It Is, from Knopfler's Sailing To Philadelphia album. 
 
Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell (i.e., Knopfler is not sufficiently recognized here, hence still in search of legitimacy).  However it's what it is.
 
We've been down the Dire Straits road, which is apparently a dead end.  However the soundtracks and solo career are certainly worthy of prog folk.
 
Give me a couple of hours.  Let me dig into the discography and list the reasons why.
 
But as an example, how many rock stars (which Knopfler surely was at the time) choose to begin their first solo album with a nice little folk melody, played on whistle, Irish harp, accordion, bouzouki, and violin?  It's nothing fancy, nothing that wouldn't be right at home on a Fairport album, and powerful and moving in its simplicity. 
 
Plus, his songs get banned in Canada Wink
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 14:40
There are certainly a few prog songs by Dire straits - take for instance Telegraph Road (or the whole Love Over Gold album), Tunnel of Love or Planet of New Orleans. Although that doesn't make DS prog per se, it is certainly worthwhile to consider their addition. Knopfler's solo career has become decidedly more folk oriented lately, not necessarily for the bad. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 14:53
While I do some research, let's just all sit back and relax with a little Knopfler:
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 15:22
I have a Knoffler with Chet Atkins album and it is amazing country guitar, well worth checking out - not prog but great guitar from two legends.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2011 at 02:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 01:05
We had the Dire Straits debate not long ago, and I for one am thankful that they weren't included here.

As for Mark Knopfler: I must admit I haven''t heard any of his solo output except for that strange soundtrack sometime in the '80s, and that left me pretty cold: perhaps a new genre: Could-be-prog-if-it-weren't-so-boring Prog.

I wouldn't mind having a listen to his other output, although I'd be very surprised if were overwhelmed.

Sid-James-Lookalike Prog?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2011 at 15:13
Okay, this will take longer than a few hours.  It'd be so easy if there were a touchstone album, just one.  But it doesn't work that way.
 
But here is one example, of a folkish/countryish duet with Emmylou Harris (it was Gillian Welch providing the female vocals on the album track).  Notice how it begins as a relatively pleasant song, nice enough, a little bluegrass around the edges.  But there are melodic hints dropped throughout as to at what it will become as it evolves.  The song takes a solid turn around 3:30 into it, where it morphs into a vehicle for a fine, mini-symphonic Knopfler solo, ramping up considerably around 4:30.  By 5:15 in, Kopfler is hitting on all cylinders.
 
 
I don't know if it's proggy enough or not, but I could, and sometimes do, listen to this stuff for hours.  Maybe it's just the joy of listening to one of the finest guitarists on the planet.  Maybe it's something more.
 
 
 


Edited by jammun - February 19 2011 at 15:13
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