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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:16
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

John Lennon? Wasn't he influenced by Bob Dylan?


And Bach.
 
I wasn't even going to post in this thread because I thought it sounded silly until I saw the person suggested in the OP. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:26
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Rock: Elvis
Chuck Berry? Pinch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 13:21
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

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20th Century- Herbert von Karajan

I doubt it.
It is impossible to downplay,or ignore, Karajan's astounding credentials
        Even after 20 years since his death, he is still enormously important. For a very long time-years, even decades, about one of every four classical records bought was a Karajan recording The important positions in the music world and awards he recieved are too numerous even to mention.
              HVK was a forward looking visionary, and very  interested in  technology as applied to music, being the first in  areas of technology  connected with music. There are a  whole plethora of  music  "firsts" connected with  Karajan.  Not even the  Beatles themselves  could rival all of this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 13:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 14:32
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:


20th Century- Herbert von Karajan

I doubt it.
It is impossible to downplay,or ignore, Karajan's astounding credentials
        Even after 20 years since his death, he is still enormously important. For a very long time-years, even decades, about one of every four classical records bought was a Karajan recording The important positions in the music world and awards he recieved are too numerous even to mention.
              HVK was a forward looking visionary, and very  interested in  technology as applied to music, being the first in  areas of technology  connected with music. There are a  whole plethora of  music  "firsts" connected with  Karajan.  Not even the  Beatles themselves  could rival all of this.

I would wager to say that Schoenberg was more influential from the past century. I would probably say Miles Davis or one of a few other jazz greats takes the 20th century title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 14:40
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Rock: Elvis
Country: Johnny Cash
Classical: Beethoven
Metal: Jimi Hendrix
Prog: Robert Fripp 
Jazz: Miles Davis


to be honest, had it not been for Fripp, metal music would probably not exist. And though i understand why you chose him for prog, but who influenced him? that person(s) would have to be the one(s) who influenced prog the most i think.

everything else i agree with, except maybe Bach for classical (but it could go either way)

Jimi influenced guitarists, not necessarily whole genres of music

EDIT: wait, Elvis would be nothing had Chuck Berry not paved the way


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 14:49
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


to be honest, had it not been for Fripp, metal music would probably not exist. And though i understand why you chose him for prog, but who influenced him? that person(s) would have to be the one(s) who influenced prog the most i think.




John Lennon claims, in the 1980 Playboy interview, that "Ticket to Ride" was the first heavy metal song. So now we're full circle.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2011 at 15:17
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Of all time? Lennon is barely cold in historical terms, that's absurd! You'd have to go at least as far back as Beethoven to get serious, although we probably owe a greater debt to Bach. Or whoever wrote all that Gregorian chant.

Of course, this is only considering Western music, as Eastern music has a much longer tradition that I know little about. 


This man has nailed it.

It is a matter of opinion. I mean, there are plenty of musical professors out there that would argue Mozart a greater influence than Bach. Same for Beethoven, Haydn, Purcell... For me though, it would be between:

J. P. Rameau - he established that inversions are still essentially the same chord, however inverting it gives it different harmonic properties.

Beethoven - Simply because he revolutionised the piano, the symphony, the orchestra and the Classical period in music.

Gustav Mahler - Completely twisted romanticism into modernism almost, by bringing in elements of world / folk music into his symphonies. In other words, he practically created classical "fusion".

Schoenberg - The father of atonalism, developed a completely new and systematic way of making music, which in a way is on a completely different emotional plain to tonal music.

Duke Ellington - Over 1000 jazz compositions, most of them jazz standards that are still very much alive and being played today, as well as jazz symphonies. Had a massive hand in the development of jazz improvisation and piano voicing. Some of the most famous tunes known universally were written by this man, probably the most important figure in jazz.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 01:39
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


to be honest, had it not been for Fripp, metal music would probably not exist. 


As cool as this sounds, it's not true.
 

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

EDIT: wait, Elvis would be nothing had Chuck Berry not paved the way


Although quite true, I think we need to remember the seemingly logical progression of music throughout history, and that if Chuck Berry hadn't of created rock n' roll, somebody else would have anyway and around the same time.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 01:53
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

to be honest, had it not been for Fripp, metal music would probably not exist. 
As cool as this sounds, it's not true.

agreed, especially since Fripp was still making hippie love songs when the Yardbirds, Blue Cheer and Kinks were blowing the roof off clubs


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 09:50
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:


20th Century- Herbert von Karajan

I doubt it.
It is impossible to downplay,or ignore, Karajan's astounding credentials
        Even after 20 years since his death, he is still enormously important. For a very long time-years, even decades, about one of every four classical records bought was a Karajan recording The important positions in the music world and awards he recieved are too numerous even to mention.
              HVK was a forward looking visionary, and very  interested in  technology as applied to music, being the first in  areas of technology  connected with music. There are a  whole plethora of  music  "firsts" connected with  Karajan.  Not even the  Beatles themselves  could rival all of this.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 09:53
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Rock: Elvis
Country: Johnny Cash
Classical: Beethoven
Metal: Jimi Hendrix
Prog: Robert Fripp 
Jazz: Miles Davis


to be honest, had it not been for Fripp, metal music would probably not exist. And though i understand why you chose him for prog, but who influenced him? that person(s) would have to be the one(s) who influenced prog the most i think.

everything else i agree with, except maybe Bach for classical (but it could go either way)

Jimi influenced guitarists, not necessarily whole genres of music

EDIT: wait, Elvis would be nothing had Chuck Berry not paved the way



i think there wouldn't be metal music without beethoven imo, even megadeath were classically trained julliard musicians. or wagner or mussorsky? or more simply put, there wouldn't be metal without classical.
i grew up with classical so i accredit that mostly to most influential. tchaikovsky is my favorite though, you can accredit him to symphonic prog maybe? or grieg?

i also like to think of that question on a smaller scale as well, i like to think that without gloria gaynors i will survive, i might not have riot grrl music for instance. without tony wilson i wouldn't have madchester. everyone paves some way


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 09:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:12

Here's a few ideas:

The inventor of the pianoforte.
 
The inventor of the electric guitar.
 
 
 
These two instruments have dominated Western music in their own eras. Obviously their precursors were also very important but each had some specific qualities that allowed entire new sounds to evolve.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:27
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Judging by the review, isn't he the caveman who shouted og and hit something with a piece of wood?LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:28
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Simon Railton


Judging by the review, isn't he the caveman who shouted og and hit something with a piece of wood?LOL


The reality is unfortunately more frightening than this.

The influence here is in showing what not to do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 12:21
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Of all time? Lennon is barely cold in historical terms, that's absurd! You'd have to go at least as far back as Beethoven to get serious, although we probably owe a greater debt to Bach. Or whoever wrote all that Gregorian chant.

Of course, this is only considering Western music, as Eastern music has a much longer tradition that I know little about. 


This man has nailed it.


Nailed what? The last in the coffin of Lennon as a credible contender? By his logic, if the same question were posed in 1857, Beethoven's, not to mention Bach's, consideration would be "absurd" due to "historical terms."  I'm not supporting Lennon as the most influential, but I don't see the relevance of this type of position.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 14:46

Fripp was heavily influenced by the Beatles as were most prog musicians of that era but this was a whole band lead by a very clever producer.Not just one individual. 

Jon Lord and Keith Emerson were heavily influenced by Bach who also influenced many classical composers so Bach has much greater credentials I would have thought. His influence transcends musical styles/cultures.
 
btw the first heavy metal song was The Kinks 'You really got me'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 18:18
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Pythagoras.


You'd probably be right actually... the harmonic series is probably the most important thing in harmony!
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