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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 10:42
It has vocals in it though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:46
Hmmm. My memory isn't so great then. The only thing I remember spoken is the Dune reference. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 12:29
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

I'm just saying she doesn't deserve the kind of comparisons she gets, people can think she makes better music than David Bowie and Bjork if they want to, but they definitely can't claim that her music is even close to being as original, if they want to be taken seriously.

 
I don't think The T was trying to say that,  his point had more to do with quality and also complexity. He is right that straight up rock is not any more complex than pop.  Now, if you want to read into that things that have not been said, then very well. 
Exactly. At least someone here knows how to read...
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i think the question is phrased badly the real question should be: is the innovative approach to music can be popular? and answer for that question is big, tasteless "no" the innovative musical approach and pop sesibilities has merged somehow from the late 60's to late 70's there was a big experimentalism floating around, every band was eager to experiment with new musical forms, techniques, electronics and other stuff actually that was the road that popular music take and i mean i'm not offering some deterministic approach here but that was something that happened in the way of improvement of the music(improvement can be good or bad in this case that "improvement" will cause the worst kind of disfiguration of music...ever!!) i think that peter gabriel recalls that era(in some documentary i think) as a "age of childhood" and that was a very right definition of what was going on around that time it was pure experiment and discovery for both fans and the musicians that was the main reason why that experimentalism finds mainstream attention but right now music endustry having a different kind of direction and changing as well so no we can't expect innovative works from popular music but it can produce some good music there is no doubt about that.

ps. i use the term "pop" not as a singular musical genre but as a whole idea of mainstream music both rock and the all the other crappy music out there.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 07:12
Originally posted by ourlawisliberty ourlawisliberty wrote:

i think the question is phrased badly the real question should be: is the innovative approach to music can be popular? and answer for that question is big, tasteless "no" the innovative musical approach and pop sesibilities has merged somehow from the late 60's to late 70's there was a big experimentalism floating around, every band was eager to experiment with new musical forms, techniques, electronics and other stuff actually that was the road that popular music take and i mean i'm not offering some deterministic approach here but that was something that happened in the way of improvement of the music(improvement can be good or bad in this case that "improvement" will cause the worst kind of disfiguration of music...ever!!) i think that peter gabriel recalls that era(in some documentary i think) as a "age of childhood" and that was a very right definition of what was going on around that time it was pure experiment and discovery for both fans and the musicians that was the main reason why that experimentalism finds mainstream attention but right now music endustry having a different kind of direction and changing as well so no we can't expect innovative works from popular music but it can produce some good music there is no doubt about that.

ps. i use the term "pop" not as a singular musical genre but as a whole idea of mainstream music both rock and the all the other crappy music out there.


I think this might apply more as a general trend but it's not true that music that is experimental in approach at least vis-a-vis the general mainstream music cannot work anymore.  Kid A hit the top of the Billboard 200.  Medulla hit 14 and 10,000 Days hit 1 too.  I have never heard 10,000 Days but if it was anywhere as demanding as Lateralus, it is significantly more demanding than regular mainstream music and the same applies to Kid A and Medulla. 
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