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Manuel 
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 Posted: January 31 2011 at 21:55 |
 Prog_Traveller wrote:
Sorry folks. I don't think prog was HUGE in the seventies. I was just a little kid back then so I don't really know for sure but I really don't think it was. A few prog bands were but as an entire genre it was not super popular. In fact other than college kids and some high school kids probably most people didn't know about the lesser known prog bands even then.
Anyway, these days it's even less popular. The radio doesn't play it. You won't hear about it on tv or at school or see it mentioned in most magazines. You will see it mentioned sometimes in a few select music magazines but that's about it. Critics still haven't caught on to it and it's just not considered cool. It's still very much under the radar unfortunately. That said it still does have a pretty strong although relatively small cult following. A lot of this can be attributed to the power of the internet. Without the internet it wouldn't be much more popular now than it was in the 80's.
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I tend to agree with you. Prog was not even considered a genre in the beginning, it was later that the term was introduced. I think it was popular amongst many pot-heads, who liked to listen to the music and trip to it, which is what makes prog stand out from the most popular forms of music. Most people like and have always liked music they can dance to (there's nothing wrong with that either), but prog does not fit quite well into this scenario. Prog is music to listen to, like most jazz, classical, etc. The amount of folks out there who listen and analyze music in detail is very, very small, so prog, and progressive music in general, will never achieve popularity among the people who don't even care for composition, orchestration, arrangements, etc, they just want a nice beat to dance and a catchy tune, nothing more.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 23:46 |
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I tend to agree with you. Prog was not even considered a genre in the beginning, it was later that the term was introduced. I think it was popular amongst many pot-heads, who liked to listen to the music and trip to it, which is what makes prog stand out from the most popular forms of music. Most people like and have always liked music they can dance to (there's nothing wrong with that either), but prog does not fit quite well into this scenario. Prog is music to listen to, like most jazz, classical, etc. The amount of folks out there who listen and analyze music in detail is very, very small, so prog, and progressive music in general, will never achieve popularity among the people who don't even care for composition, orchestration, arrangements, etc, they just want a nice beat to dance and a catchy tune, nothing more. [/QUOTE] What you said is pretty much spot on. However, I think it was more than just pot heads who liked prog. I think the potheads were more into the hard rock and proto metal bands like Deep Purple, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath and even Rush. However, I will say this. I always thought the reason why "tubular bells" and "dark side of the moon" sold so well were because they were good albums to smoke weed to and get high to. I consider them to be prog stoner albums. I guess some other prog albums might qualify too but those two come to mind first for me.
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Gerinski
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Posted: February 01 2011 at 11:23 |
Simple music such as dance, techno and much of pop is cheap to make and more profitable.
If only it happened with music... but it's with everything, the big business corporations want people to like rubbish because it's cheap to produce and much more profitable than high quality products.
In food, they try to convince us that soja is a wonderful natural and very healthy food, but the truth behind is that soja is enourmously easy and profitable to mass-cultivate and can be added to virtually every kind of processed food. We are surrounded by crap food and we are pushed to like it (via advertisement, by adding some tasty flavour to snacks which are essentially just processed rubbish etc) because it's cheap and profitable.
TV programs are all cheap crap, not to mention teleshopping and astrology services by cell phone text messaging.
Most current toys for our kids are just crap, a few parts of cheap plastic made in China by an exploited labourforce.
Current furniture is crap, while the furniture of our grandparents could last 5 generations.
Today nothing lasts so you have to buy again, and if it gets too old (e.g. if you insist in keeping using your 5-years-old cell phone) they make you feel weird until you buy a new one.
If things are cheap people can buy more of them and more frequently.
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JS19
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Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:48 |
Gerinski wrote:
Simple music such as dance, techno and much of pop is cheap to make and more profitable.
If only it happened with music... but it's with everything, the big business corporations want people to like rubbish because it's cheap to produce and much more profitable than high quality products.
In food, they try to convince us that soja is a wonderful natural and very healthy food, but the truth behind is that soja is enourmously easy and profitable to mass-cultivate and can be added to virtually every kind of processed food. We are surrounded by crap food and we are pushed to like it (via advertisement, by adding some tasty flavour to snacks which are essentially just processed rubbish etc) because it's cheap and profitable.
TV programs are all cheap crap, not to mention teleshopping and astrology services by cell phone text messaging.
Most current toys for our kids are just crap, a few parts of cheap plastic made in China by an exploited labourforce.
Current furniture is crap, while the furniture of our grandparents could last 5 generations.
Today nothing lasts so you have to buy again, and if it gets too old (e.g. if you insist in keeping using your 5-years-old cell phone) they make you feel weird until you buy a new one.
If things are cheap people can buy more of them and more frequently.
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This is very true.... It's a bit of a bleak outlook on our consumerist society, but it seems that if we are fed rubbish, may it be music, foods or ideals, for long enough, we start to like them.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:55 |
Gerinski wrote:
If only it happened with music... but it's with everything, the big business corporations want people to like rubbish because it's cheap to produce and much more profitable than high quality products.
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You hit the nail right on the head 
Gerinski wrote:
In food, they try to convince us that soja is a wonderful natural and very healthy food, but the truth behind is that soja is enourmously easy and profitable to mass-cultivate and can be added to virtually every kind of processed food. We are surrounded by crap food and we are pushed to like it (via advertisement, by adding some tasty flavour to snacks which are essentially just processed rubbish etc) because it's cheap and profitable.
TV programs are all cheap crap, not to mention teleshopping and astrology services by cell phone text messaging.
Most current toys for our kids are just crap, a few parts of cheap plastic made in China by an exploited labourforce.
Current furniture is crap, while the furniture of our grandparents could last 5 generations.
Today nothing lasts so you have to buy again, and if it gets too old (e.g. if you insist in keeping using your 5-years-old cell phone) they make you feel weird until you buy a new one.
If things are cheap people can buy more of them and more frequently.
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I can't help but completely agree with this. Consumerism keeps the system going; we can't have high quality products like back in the day, because people only invest once and that's not good for business. We live in a plastic society! The cell phone is a great example; as if we weren't getting hammered enough, people are programmed to treat those who don't have the newest gadgets as inferior and "not up to date with what's hip"; robots if I ever saw them!
Edited by AllP0werToSlaves - February 01 2011 at 12:57
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Dr.Mafrune
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Posted: February 01 2011 at 14:16 |
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Prog Music is like any other delicattessen. How do you think taste snails, oysters, crabs, caviar... for the first time ?
You have you get accostumed to it and the more you educate your ears the more easy is that you like it.
I got into Prog Music, because a friend of mine gave a tape of Tool. I had no other in my car and began to hear it.
At first I could barely stand it, it was so strange for me !!! But after I heard at it maybe 10 or more times I liked it.
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overmatik
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 07:30 |
You guys should be careful in criticizing modern music. Prog Archives is full of angry Lady Gaga and Kanye West fans...  As for me, I subscribe everything you guys just said.
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"Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity. Calculate what we will or will not tolerate. Desperate to control all and everything. Unable to forgive your scarlet letterman."
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boo boo
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 07:31 |
Q: Why isn't prog popular?
A: It's fanbase.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:18 |
boo boo wrote:
Q: Why isn't prog popular?
A: It's fanbase. |
So I can only expect that the hundreds of thousands of popular music consumers are somehow better? If Integrity for music and art makes me a geek, well then I accept that title lol.
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boo boo
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:23 |
What the general public thinks prog fans are: Bunch of nerdy virgins in wizard hats.
What prog fans actually are: Bunch of incredibly pompous old snobs who quote the thesaurus to death to appear smarter than they are and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older.
Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 10:24
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Easy Livin
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 03:29 |
... and you are a prog fan Boo Boo?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 03:40 |
Who the hell quotes a thesaurus? One utilizes a thesaurus.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:07 |
boo boo wrote:
What the general public thinks prog fans are: Bunch of nerdy virgins in wizard hats.
What prog fans actually are: Bunch of incredibly pompous old snobs who quote the thesaurus to death to appear smarter than they are and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older. |
I thought both were true
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:14 |
boo boo wrote:
and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older. |
Too late!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:22 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:26 |
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^ Henners is getting sharper every minute, he'll be king 'round here someday
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PlumAplomb
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 09:20 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ Henners is getting sharper every minute, he'll be king 'round here someday
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i call the mistress spot! (historically it's the mistress that gets all the good stuff while the queen languishes in poverty and my talents are more mistress style:) also, as a would be writer, i see nothing wrong with using resources to further your knowledge of language
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la la la and a bottle of plum!
and when it lands
will my eyes
be closed or open?
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:30 |
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I would bet you anything that "geeks" of any kind are just as passionate as we are about prog. Severe enthusiasm over something instantly makes you a geek because you thoroughly enjoy it; everyone else is just too boring to have passion lol.
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PlumAplomb
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:32 |
AllP0werToSlaves wrote:
I would bet you anything that "geeks" of any kind are just as passionate as we are about prog. Severe enthusiasm over something instantly makes you a geek because you thoroughly enjoy it; everyone else is just too boring to have passion lol. |
i am a self proclaimed huge ass geek nerd dork
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la la la and a bottle of plum!
and when it lands
will my eyes
be closed or open?
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:38 |
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I am a self-proclaimed retro gaming nerd; all things 1985-1996 are my obsession lol.
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