Is Pop Music Innovative Or Good Anymore?

 at the two previous posts... 

Sensational music. And from the ending you can clearly see that they are capable jazz musicians!

I like a lot of what is considered pop music, though I dislike the way most people (ESPECIALLY on this forum) use the term. Once people start calling bands like Public Image Ltd pop the word can pretty much mean goddamn anything.

 

overmatik wrote:   But Lady Gaga never makes the headlines because of her music, but because he played a gig naked, or went to a party in a meat-dress etc. You don't have people discussing her music, her lyrics.

Quite a lot of people discuss her music. You probably think that because you're talking to people who don't care about her music because they don't like it.
 

aginor wrote: jazz rock *youtube*   more jazz rock *youtube*

That's jazz rock? :S I don't hear a trace of jazz, that's just blues influence. I guess the 5 second sax solo in the first one is a little jazzy.

boo boo wrote: The T wrote: And by the way since when did ALICE COOPER become the standard-bearer for quality music? Last time I heard his songs are rather simple rock songs, no more complex in harmony or structure than Lady Gaga's song, but with much, much poorer melody.  You know how many atrocious performers have tried to gain the spotlight with their strange antics? Many. How many succeed? Only a few. Usually, their music, simple and pop as it might be, catches the ear of quite a lot of people.   Yet another muso who really needs to remove that massive stick from his ass.   Way to criticize a career as varied and diverse as Cooper's because you only know the singles, and many of his songs actually do have rather elaborate arrangements and definitely don't sound like typical radio rock. Oh and "simple rock songs" is not a criticism, while Alice Cooper has his share of simple rock songs, to sum up his entire career as just that is pretty retarded.   Oh and bonus points for using words like "atrocious" when you give 5 stars to horsesh*t like Dream Theater and Arena.

lol, I see you're back from your break to get in fights with people again. 


Edited by Henry Plainview - February 04 2011 at 05:03

The T wrote:  at the two previous posts... I still haven't received the thorough musical explanation that I requested...  I still can't be explained the magic behind that master of late renaissance/early baroque music, Alice Cooper...

Well my friend, I think you'll have to wait a little longer for this question, after all you were the one who asked it yourself. I never said that Alice Cooper was the ultimate standard upon we should measure all music. You said that. I am sorry but you have the terrible habit of putting words into people's mouths, or perhaps difficult in understanding written English. Is English your native language?

What I did was to compare Alice Cooper to Lady Gaga, and I said that to me Alice was an example of a musician who in the past used the same antics and tactics that Lady Gaga uses today, but that, unlike the latter, had pretty good music backing him up. If you don't know the work of Alice Cooper, the band, you should listen to their albums.

P.S. I'm sorry my dear friend, but if you can't find any difference in terms of musical quality between Alice Cooper and Lady Gaga there is nothing that I or anyone else in the face of the earth can say that will change your mind. You simply have a greater disposition to accept music than I.

boo boo wrote: The T wrote: And by the way since when did ALICE COOPER become the standard-bearer for quality music? Last time I heard his songs are rather simple rock songs, no more complex in harmony or structure than Lady Gaga's song, but with much, much poorer melody.  You know how many atrocious performers have tried to gain the spotlight with their strange antics? Many. How many succeed? Only a few. Usually, their music, simple and pop as it might be, catches the ear of quite a lot of people.    Yet another muso who really needs to remove that massive stick from his ass. ?????    Way to criticize a career as varied and diverse as Cooper's because you only know the singles, and many of his songs actually do have rather elaborate arrangements and definitely don't sound like typical radio rock. Oh and "simple rock songs" is not a criticism, while Alice Cooper has his share of simple rock songs, to sum up his entire career as just that is pretty retarded. Oh Little BooBoo I'm not even criticizing Cooper. I'm just baffled that he's mentioned as a great standard of quality. Of course "simple rock" is not a criticism. It would be for the lots of brain dead idiots who only like music because they have a superego need to feel better about themselves compared to other lesser mortals who listen to any kind of music they want. I LOVE "simple rock songs". I'm just saying that these "simple rock songs" and Gaga's "simple pop songs" have quite a similar structure and harmonic foundation. I   Oh and bonus points for using words like "atrocious" when you give 5 stars to horsesh*t like Dream Theater and Arena.Bonus points for you for making yourself look like a simple minded troll in so few posts. And for contradicting yourself in the process, "anti muso" guy. In the end all you want little prick is for people to think exactly like you.

boo boo wrote: So somebody went into an Alice Cooper dissing fest because he got defensive over.... Lady Gaga?    Jesus give me strength.

How is any pop music (even the worst) not "true" music? It has rhythm, melody and timbre does it not? All music is music, even bad music.

The T wrote: ^That's all I've been trying to say and all Overmatik has trying to deny, yet you jumped ready to fight because Alice Cooper and LAdy Gaga were compared...

Mas esse é o problema, na minha opinião a música da Lady Gaga não tem valor. Eu não disse que não é música, mas sim que é música sem qualidade, feita apenas como instrumento de promoção e venda de produtos. Esses artistas pop da atualidade são uma tentativa da indústria fonográfica de sem manter relevante. E eu não desrespeito quem gosta da Lady Gaga, eu não respeito a própria Lady Gaga.

Agora se nosso amigo The T consegue ver qualidade na Lady Gaga e no Kanye West então ele é bem perceptivo. Nesse caso então para você O David Bowie também pertence ao mesmo nível da Lady Gaga?

E respondendo a sua pergunta, sim, eu não consigo apreciar a Lady Gaga e o Kanye West. A propósito, a questão do inglês foi só porque você estava colocando palavras na minha boca, e não teve qualquer intenção pejorativa.

Edited by overmatik - February 04 2011 at 12:29

Tu claramente dijiste que, por ejemplo, Kanye no es musica. Ok, no puedes comprobarlo objetivamente. Lady Gaga fue otro ejemplo, y esta claro que su exito no solo se lo debe a sus rarezas sino a su decente pop. No se trata aqui de decir que Lady Gaga es la ultima maravilla del mundo sino que es musica y no es basura. Y si lo es, hay gente a quien no le gusta oir que lo que oyen es basura.