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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:37
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I sense a dramatic change in the tone of your posts suddenly. 


No change in tone whatsoever. The fact is that you guys were misreading what I was saying. I was telling you that Lady Gaga is garbage, and in this statement was implied the fact that she is garbage in my opinion. But for some reason you guys didn't seem to understand this. So here it is: Lady Gaga, Kesha, Justin Bieber, Fergie and Rhianna are all useless fabricated products with no talent whatsoever, personal opinion implied.Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:42
You dare to criticize Justin Bieber you nazi-fasci b*****d?!?!?!?! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:47
And by the way, calling "garbage" what other people like (and many with a passion) is not the best way to go around it... "Zappa is garbage". See how offensive that sounds? "I don't like Zappa at all, his music doesn't do anything for me, it's a lot of useless comedy and little melody or structure." Now that sounds petulant but more respectful. "Zappa is not for me." Perfect answer.  Though of course you're free to say things how you like to say them... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:48
Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I sense a dramatic change in the tone of your posts suddenly. 


No change in tone whatsoever. The fact is that you guys were misreading what I was saying. I was telling you that Lady Gaga is garbage, and in this statement was implied the fact that she is garbage in my opinion. But for some reason you guys didn't seem to understand this. So here it is: Lady Gaga, Kesha, Justin Bieber, Fergie and Rhianna are all useless fabricated products with no talent whatsoever, personal opinion implied.Big smile


Yeah but Gaga has a donk you gotta admit that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:49
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

You dare to criticize Justin Bieber you nazi-fasci b*****d?!?!?!?! 


Let's just say that Justin Bieber is so terrible that he makes me really miss this guy:





Now, that's your really good and "progressive" hip-hop, yeah!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:14
 
Ah yes pop music? 
 
Basement Jaxx in recentish time.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 15:35
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I sense a dramatic change in the tone of your posts suddenly. 


No change in tone whatsoever. The fact is that you guys were misreading what I was saying. I was telling you that Lady Gaga is garbage, and in this statement was implied the fact that she is garbage in my opinion. But for some reason you guys didn't seem to understand this. So here it is: Lady Gaga, Kesha, Justin Bieber, Fergie and Rhianna are all useless fabricated products with no talent whatsoever, personal opinion implied.Big smile


Yeah but Gaga has a donk you gotta admit that.

Donk beats steve howe every time.. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:06
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I sense a dramatic change in the tone of your posts suddenly. 


No change in tone whatsoever. The fact is that you guys were misreading what I was saying. I was telling you that Lady Gaga is garbage, and in this statement was implied the fact that she is garbage in my opinion. But for some reason you guys didn't seem to understand this. So here it is: Lady Gaga, Kesha, Justin Bieber, Fergie and Rhianna are all useless fabricated products with no talent whatsoever, personal opinion implied.Big smile


Yeah but Gaga has a donk you gotta admit that.

Donk beats steve howe every time.. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_gaga
note that lady gaga is a music school drop out (mutch like sertain prog artists)
so ok, she chooses to write catchy tunes rather than epics... but she isn't talantless she is atleast moderately studied.
 
this is a video of one of her pre-popstardom preformances, it should prove she is not talantless
 
 
so yes, some pop still has talent
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:07
^I was not implying Lady Gaga is empty donk with no talent... I was saying quite literally that donk beats steve howe every time... for me. WinkTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:11

POP, good POP:





Edited by overmatik - January 31 2011 at 16:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:11

T, I wasn't replying specifically to you, mostly I was replying to overmatic but didn't want to search for the initial post. And who dosn't love donk?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:20
She has a Honky Tonk Padonkadonk???
 
Next you'll be telling me Today's Hot Country is art too. Then my head'll asplode.
 
Lady Gaga's history is pretty clear that she tried to make it on the music alone, it didn't work, so she went the crazy persona with crazy visual route. It worked. Her tunes are catchy. Savvy like Madonna.
 
But I'll listen to Prince when I'm the mood for 80's dance pop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:26
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

She has a Honky Tonk Padonkadonk???
 
Next you'll be telling me Today's Hot Country is art too. Then my head'll asplode.
 
Lady Gaga's history is pretty clear that she tried to make it on the music alone, it didn't work, so she went the crazy persona with crazy visual route. It worked. Her tunes are catchy. Savvy like Madonna.
 
But I'll listen to Prince when I'm the mood for 80's dance pop.
art is an antiquated termCool
 
anyways I don't see Lady Gaga as being 80's pop... for one her the way her music is produced is more listenable (to me) than the trebble heavy 80s sound and while she uses many similar techniques to 80s popstars I find her melodys more enjoyable plus sometimes she even goes the avantgarde route in her live preformances.
 
Prince is a good analogy to Gaga though because both are popstars in the dominant mold of their day but each is more talanted than average and each takes a greater share of the compositional and instrumental duties than that of an average popstar from their era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 21:52
Pop music....no substantial worth....catchy...average musicians.


Pop was never "good", it was just more tolerable before.  I'll take Ma Ma's and the Pa Pa's California Dreamin over this "music" I hear today.  It's absolutely horrible and could not lack more originality.  People like Lady Ga Ga, Fifty Cent, and all these other generic pop musicians care WAY more about they're image and if the news is following them than they do about music (which explains a lot).  It's disgusting


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 22:57
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

Pop music....no substantial worth....catchy...average musicians.


Pop was never "good", it was just more tolerable before.  I'll take Ma Ma's and the Pa Pa's California Dreamin over this "music" I hear today.  It's absolutely horrible and could not lack more originality.  People like Lady Ga Ga, Fifty Cent, and all these other generic pop musicians care WAY more about they're image and if the news is following them than they do about music (which explains a lot).  It's disgusting
Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd... all were pop bands
Wyatt for example was one progger who absolutely insisted his work was pop...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 05:34
Let's just put it this way: If you're true to your music and honestly believe in what you're doing, is the people who will define its pop-ability. Pink Floyd was at one time pop because people really enjoyed their music, but you never had PF conscientiously making music for the charts

These so called artists nowadays use their music just as an instrument, and you don't see people seriously discussing Kanye's music, but only his public appearances and the garbage he speaks. And Lady Gaga, which only makes the headlines for the wrong reasons. Then you have Amy Whinehouse, Fergie etc... The list is endless.

But I'll say it again, if you really can't see any difference between Alice Cooper and Lady Gaga then...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 18:45
Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Let's just put it this way: If you're true to your music and honestly believe in what you're doing, is the people who will define its pop-ability. Pink Floyd was at one time pop because people really enjoyed their music, but you never had PF conscientiously making music for the charts

These so called artists nowadays use their music just as an instrument, and you don't see people seriously discussing Kanye's music, but only his public appearances and the garbage he speaks. And Lady Gaga, which only makes the headlines for the wrong reasons. Then you have Amy Whinehouse, Fergie etc... The list is endless.

But I'll say it again, if you really can't see any difference between Alice Cooper and Lady Gaga then...
... so your saying because they get publicity... and the publicity is not about their music then they are automatically bad?
 
how is that different from not getting publicity at all? and why would that matter?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 19:43
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

But I'll listen to Prince when I'm the mood for 80's dance pop.

I remember going to a prog concert at the Atlanta Agora (I forget who) and they were running videos pre concert and a Prince one came on and there were a lot of boos.  It was from a pre Purple Rain album.  My wife wanted to go to the Musicology simulcast and I got a free CD and I like it.  Then someone here suggested I try The Rainbow Children and that is pretty good, too.   I have a sneaking suspicion that the more I like something he did the less his regular fans care for it. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2011 at 06:43
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... so your saying because they get publicity... and the publicity is not about their music then they are automatically bad?

how is that different from not getting publicity at all? and why would that matter?


No, publicity itself doesn't invalidate an artist. Alice Cooper made lots of publicity stunts in the 70s, like blocking a street in London with a truck carrying a gig's announcement. LOL But Alice Cooper had an amazing piece of work backing him up, really groundbreaking material. Gosh, even Billy Idol had good music to back him up!

But Lady Gaga never makes the headlines because of her music, but because he played a gig naked, or went to a party in a meat-dress etc. You don't have people discussing her music, her lyrics. And as I said before, these artists are disposable and with limited shelf life.

Where are MC Hammer, Puffy Daddy, Billy Ocean, Spice Girls, Five and dozens of others? These guys were making the headlines in their times, but they had only media and no quality to back them up. They are ghosts now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2011 at 08:29
Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

... so your saying because they get publicity... and the publicity is not about their music then they are automatically bad?

how is that different from not getting publicity at all? and why would that matter?


No, publicity itself doesn't invalidate an artist. Alice Cooper made lots of publicity stunts in the 70s, like blocking a street in London with a truck carrying a gig's announcement. LOL But Alice Cooper had an amazing piece of work backing him up, really groundbreaking material. Gosh, even Billy Idol had good music to back him up!

But Lady Gaga never makes the headlines because of her music, but because he played a gig naked, or went to a party in a meat-dress etc. You don't have people discussing her music, her lyrics. And as I said before, these artists are disposable and with limited shelf life.

Where are MC Hammer, Puffy Daddy, Billy Ocean, Spice Girls, Five and dozens of others? These guys were making the headlines in their times, but they had only media and no quality to back them up. They are ghosts now.

Actually yes you do. The only reason anybody cares about what she does it because of her music. She was writing successful pop songs before anybody knew she existed.

You've assumed that she writes music for the charts based on nothing. You've invented it. She makes pop music. Pop music charts well. That is all.
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